08/03/22 12:20:37 w/w68J2K0
あああ、すまん
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08/03/22 12:21:00 pYL4B6o30
CMみたいには開かない。
半分ぐらいで重心が後ろに行って本体が浮く。
これ自体、おむつのCM見て「赤ちゃんは青い水出すんですか？」みたいな話。
302:名称未設定
08/03/22 12:24:01 w/w68J2K0
>>301
そうか、ありがとう
片手で開けられるくらい本体側がもっと重いほうがいいな
303:名称未設定
08/03/22 12:32:50 GX/bkMwY0
80度くらいまでは片手で開くよ。
うちのはそのあたりで本体が浮くので、片手で
開く→開いたところで本体に左手を添えつつ最後
まで開くような感じ。
304:名称未設定
08/03/22 12:40:29 ai3YH8Zw0
>303
俺のもそうだねぇ。
CMみたいになればいいのに。。
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08/03/22 12:48:47 8s8lECIP0
上に持ち上げるようにして開けると押さえずに95度くらいまで開けられるぜ
こんなん毎回やってられないがw
306:名称未設定
08/03/22 13:38:11 1jY4J3Yx0
それにしてもMBAのファンまわりすぎじゃね？
307:名称未設定
08/03/22 13:45:43 xZPDyDNC0
動画のエンコードとかやると壊れそうな勢いで回るな
tabのあたりもけっこう熱くなるし
まぁそんな負荷かけるなって話なんだろうけど
308:名称未設定
08/03/22 14:24:16 KoqCGM6G0
WindowsのPCからRemote Diskでソフトをインストールしようと思ったんですが、
Windows PC名→ディスク名の認識までは進むのに、ディスクの中身を開けません…
「"ディスク名"のオリジナルの項目が見つからないため、操作を完了できません。」という
メッセージが出て中身が空っぽの状態になってしまいました。
（ソフト自体はこれまでiBookで使っていたものです）
ソフトは著作権が絡むから駄目なのかとも思ったのですが、
自分で撮った写真のデータを移そうと思っても駄目でした。
こういうメッセージが出る方いらっしゃいますか？
検索しても同じ例が1件しか出てこないんです。
309:名称未設定
08/03/22 15:39:09 DtxCqDpE0
不具合スレの方は厨の隔離スレみたいだな。
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08/03/22 16:04:36 5fun66l/0
エスパーの修行もできるよｗ
311:名称未設定
08/03/22 16:05:46 Y8M0+q4P0
関わると病気になるぞありゃ。
312:名称未設定
08/03/22 18:45:10 YoYsFSL40
液晶の見やすさはどうなんでしょうね
かつてのシネマには及ばずとも今のシネマよりはマシなのかな
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08/03/22 18:52:24 0Qdzf5gD0
>>312
店頭で比較してくるといい、杞憂だということに気がつくはず
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08/03/22 18:57:56 5fun66l/0
先週ヨドバシで触ってきたよ。
下級信者？としてはデザインコンセプトだけで充分買いたい。
が、できれば初物にありがちな不良の対策が浸透するの待ちたくもあり。
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08/03/22 19:07:45 FaKZwkTU0
既に初期不良で２回交換してもらった
316:名称未設定
08/03/22 19:12:43 1fdAfpJa0
>>314
素直に次ぎか次のモデルまで待つべし。
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08/03/22 19:17:44 CMKj0/Kh0
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08/03/22 19:17:45 CMKj0/Kh0
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08/03/22 19:17:45 CMKj0/Kh0
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08/03/22 19:17:45 CMKj0/Kh0
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08/03/22 19:17:45 CMKj0/Kh0
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08/03/22 19:17:45 CMKj0/Kh0
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08/03/22 19:17:46 CMKj0/Kh0
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08/03/22 19:17:46 CMKj0/Kh0
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08/03/22 19:17:46 CMKj0/Kh0
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08/03/22 19:17:47 CMKj0/Kh0
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08/03/22 19:17:46 CMKj0/Kh0
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08/03/22 19:17:47 CMKj0/Kh0
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08/03/22 19:17:47 CMKj0/Kh0
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346:名称未設定
08/03/22 19:25:58 FaKZwkTU0
すごい
347:名称未設定
08/03/22 19:45:33 tAVmyW070
既知外の成せる業だな
348:名称未設定
08/03/22 19:54:14 T0gYKNXy0
ちょっと質問なんだけど、
バッファローのLUA-U2-KTXってLANアダプタ
はOSXで使えるかな？
349:名称未設定
08/03/22 20:00:40 Vr2szNXu0
>>348
これでいけるかも
URLﾘﾝｸ(sustworks.com)
350:名称未設定
08/03/22 20:51:18 T0gYKNXy0
>>349
ありがとうございます。試してみます。
結果はまた報告します。
351:名称未設定
08/03/22 21:38:03 T0gYKNXy0
>>349
問題なく動いてそうです。
ありがとうございました。
352:名称未設定
08/03/22 21:54:18 KhZlRZqW0
1799ドルって今のレートだと179000円ちょっとだな。
さすがに23万も出せんわ。ばからしい。
アップルはいつまでぼったくるつもりなんだ？
353:名称未設定
08/03/22 22:01:39 Yhts2k9g0
1ドル150円になっても、絶対買わないくせにw
354:名称未設定
08/03/22 22:02:10 pYL4B6o30
円安になったからって値上げするブランドって結構あるけど、
（文房具とか。ファッションブランドとか、アルコールとか）
円高になって値下げしたってブランド聞かないのは俺だけ？
355:名称未設定
08/03/22 22:02:11 fNjYWLUO0
現実
URLﾘﾝｸ(pc.watch.impress.co.jp)
2007年国内PC市場出荷台数ベンダーシェア
NEC 20.3%
富士通 18.7%
DELL 14.0%
東芝 9.0%
日本HP 7.6%
ソニー 6.3%
レノボ･ジャパン 4.6%
日立製作所 2.8%
アップル 2.6% ←←←←（・∀・）ﾆﾔﾆﾔ
松下 2.1%
356:名称未設定
08/03/22 22:08:29 Yhts2k9g0
日本の夜明けは遠いな
357:名称未設定
08/03/22 22:08:36 f140NY0R0
円高以前に最初の価格設定が他のMacに比べて高すぎなんだよ
で俺は出張ついでになんとか現地で手に入れました
358:名称未設定
08/03/22 22:13:47 FTZm9Q+s0
>>355
これビジネスも込みでしょ。ｱﾎﾟｰ健闘してるんじゃないか?
11%も成長してるし。
URLﾘﾝｸ(pc.watch.impress.co.jp)
359:名称未設定
08/03/22 22:25:52 oHWHWSFb0
URLﾘﾝｸ(bcnranking.jp)
360:名称未設定
08/03/22 22:40:35 nWb3CPCG0
>355
だからそれが何？って感じ。
どこのメーカーのPCが売れているとかなんて全然関係無いものな。
Appleを使っている、Airが出た、気に入った、だから買った、それだけの事なんだからさ。
361:名称未設定
08/03/22 22:43:02 CSbzTrxGO
OSも(win使うとすれば)別売だし、シェアこんなもんでしょ。
アップルの割には健闘してるんでないかい。
362:名称未設定
08/03/22 22:43:35 75AJng3R0
VMWare Fusionを試してみましたが、Parallelsとのスピードの違いはさほど感じられません。
それとVistaの64ビット版をインストールしてみたのですが、最初のインストールの際に、なぜか画面が乱れます。
横線が入った感じになるんです。
64ビット版と32ビット版の違いってなんでしょうね？
363:名称未設定
08/03/22 23:30:23 97r5LcOy0
Macの販売が好調を持続、2月の市場シェアは14％に
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.computerworld.jp)
364:名称未設定
08/03/23 00:37:34 biAzOrg00
メインクーンって電波ヒゲがあるんだ・・・
365:名称未設定
08/03/23 02:56:41 g6Y1Vhgp0
ヨドバシで予約していたMacBook Airを本日受け取ってきたんだけど
意外とUSBポートのところ不便だな。
閉めたまま起動したりすると、少し本体を持ち上げないと開けることができない。
366:名称未設定
08/03/23 03:07:44 7Arr8qA/0
>>365
指が太いん… 普段は閉じて使ってくれってことじゃ？
ヘッドホンもワイヤレスにしたら、デジカメ接続するときくらいしか開かなくてすむようになった
367:名称未設定
08/03/23 03:17:53 Yp+Hnenm0
>>362
個人的には、VMWareのメリットって占有するメモリ量が
少なめってことかな。
2000だとファイルをd&dできないっぽいし、どうもまだ
未完成な印象が強い。
でもユニティよいなあ。
368:名称未設定
08/03/23 03:42:40 g6Y1Vhgp0
>>366
確かに指ちょっとふといのもあるかもな。
爪をいつも短く(深爪気味)きっておくので、
爪すらも引っかかってくれない感じなんです。
まぁ、別にそんなに気にならないんですけど
マルチタッチが面白すぎる
369:名称未設定
08/03/23 03:48:55 TclUG/XD0
つーかMBAのUSB、穴自体が小さくない？
ちょっと抜き差しが固い
370:名称未設定
08/03/23 04:53:10 O+5gaYKv0
ガバガバよりは、ちょっときつい方がいいよ。
371:名称未設定
08/03/23 05:20:43 O+5gaYKv0
MacBook Air、他にも3つのUSBポートの動作を確認
TUAWによると、読者のRowan Pope氏が、MacBook Airを分解しUSBポートを
調べたところ、MacBook Airにはスペック上USBポートは1つだけ搭載という
発表ですが、新たに3つのUSBポートが動作していることが分かったそうです。
その3つのUSBポートは全てUSB 1.0で、他にも1つの使用されていないSATA
ポートの存在も確認されたとのこと。
URLﾘﾝｸ(taisyo.seesaa.net)
能ある鷹はUSBを隠す
372:名称未設定
08/03/23 09:04:01 6KU5dmMu0
>>367
2000だとファイルをd&dできないっぽいし
できるよ。たまにできなくなったりするが。謎
373:名称未設定
08/03/23 09:26:00 5eaQD+UL0
>>366
Eye Fi にしたらそれも必要なし。
374:名称未設定
08/03/23 12:36:14 j3JZBVzC0
>>373
早く日本でも売らないかな？ 欲しいんだけど……。
375:名称未設定
08/03/23 13:59:23 tlnfyzjA0
>>367
そうですか、メモリ占有がVMが少なめですか。
どうしよう、どっちを使おうかな・・？
どちらも購入済みだけど。
376:308
08/03/23 14:02:46 5zppIJ1l0
すみません、Windowsに入れてる、セキュリティソフトの
ファイヤーウォールが原因でした…
一時的に切ってみたら、無事インストールできました。
初歩的なことでお騒がせしました。
でも、それに気づく直前に焦ってSuperDrive注文しちゃった…
あったらあったで使うかな…
377:名称未設定
08/03/23 14:31:01 TclUG/XD0
秋ヨド2Fの展示機は画面が結構傾いてるな。
あれだったら俺は新品交換してもらわないとちょっと・・
iPod nano並みに傾いてた。
378:名称未設定
08/03/23 14:48:51 cV/NNOsM0
>>377
俺も今画面傾きで交換機手配中
高いんだからビシッと取り付けてほしいもんだ
379:名称未設定
08/03/23 19:20:43 ge3P94NY0
DVDまたはCD共有ってAppleのページからダウンロードできないのかな。
いちいちCD（DVD？）を箱から出すのがめんどうだ。
出しておけばいいんだろうけど、そう頻繁に使うものでもないしなあ。
380:名称未設定
08/03/23 20:28:55 5uOYEtOy0
>>379
Windows Explorerでディスク右クリックして「開く」でSetup.exeとかが取り出せるんじゃない?
381:名称未設定
08/03/23 20:32:30 rf0ku9woO
>378
こんなときアポスト購入だとね
382:名称未設定
08/03/23 22:29:59 xHZMxCGT0
>>379
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.apple.com)
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.apple.com)
383:名称未設定
08/03/23 23:56:32 7geHQyY20
例の茶封筒（紙）は日本ではどこで購入できるんですかね？
アメリカのフェルトの茶封筒型(Manila Air)はもうずいぶん前に注文してあるのにまだ届かない。
紙のでもいいから欲しいんですけど、どこにも売っていない。
レザーのものもAmazonでは出てるけど、それは日本には売ってくれないし。
いやはやです。
384:名称未設定
08/03/24 00:18:33 RUq/JEiy0
>>383
参考までに聞くけど、日本ではどんなところで探したんですか？
大きな文房具屋さん（銀座の伊東屋みたいなところ）で扱ってないかな。
385:名称未設定
08/03/24 06:47:49 c7oCbe9y0
俺はホームセンターで買った薄い緩衝材の入ったA4の紙封筒を使ってる。
意外とぴったりで具合がいい。
PBG4で使っていた入れ物はぶかぶかで合わない。
386:名称未設定
08/03/24 08:09:42 A3BO6KcM0
>>383
茶色じゃないけどこんなのとか？
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.deskdepot.jp)
CMで使われていたのも、この社内連絡用の封筒だよね？
（あやふや）
387:名称未設定
08/03/24 08:42:19 A3BO6KcM0
茶色も見つけた
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.rakuten.co.jp)
388:名称未設定
08/03/24 09:12:12 CmRRcuPq0
>>386
>>387
感謝、感謝。両方とも注文しました。
389:名称未設定
08/03/24 13:00:17 jQb6i/2T0
最近他のMacでも三本指スクロールしちまうｗ
マルチタッチユーティリティどっか出さないかな。
FireFoxのプラグインのが先に出るかな。
イーモバ規制はえあらーにはきついぜ…
390:名称未設定
08/03/24 13:34:38 Hmw+3cC80
>>388
なんかオーダーが殺到して、もう在庫ないとか。
391:名称未設定
08/03/24 22:03:41 VKvcr7GX0
動物農場
392:名称未設定
08/03/24 22:07:25 H9WALN8W0
>>389
全くだね。
MBPでもやってから、web見るのをMBAに切り替えたりしてるw
393:名称未設定
08/03/24 22:25:00 Kf9hqwYV0
>>389
イーモバ規制って何ですか？
394:名称未設定
08/03/25 01:33:29 Fy6zOV280
2chでイーモバイルが規制されたんじゃね？
395:名称未設定
08/03/25 01:40:01 PAjqEjsM0
現時点では、ワイヤレスUSBの用途は限られており、規格化の分裂騒動や、
Bluetoothとの棲み分けなどの問題も抱えている。
URLﾘﾝｸ(pc.watch.impress.co.jp)
Airに採用されることは、当分ないかな。
396:名称未設定
08/03/25 10:05:13 +waZcZYZ0
MacBook Air を持ってベッドに入る
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.tidbits.com)
最後のまとめとして、この MacBook Air というマシンも、このレビュー記事自体も、どちらも
万人向けのものではないと言っておこう。もしも私の書いたことがあなたの心の琴線に触れたなら、
そしてあなたもきっと似たような方法で MacBook Air を使いこなせると思えたなら、その場合は
あなたにとってもこれが理想のマシンかもしれない。でも、もしも新しい Mac を手に入れた私の
家庭内のばか騒ぎが軽薄すぎると思われたなら、あるいは、ストレージも小さくてプロセッシング
パワーも見劣りし、接続性も劣るようなマシンのために余分のお金を払う気にはならないと
思われるなら、その場合は MacBook か、MacBook Pro の方を考慮すべきだ。いずれのマシンも、
もっと支出に見合う以上のものが得られるだろうから。言葉を替えて言えば、この MacBook Air は
上品に仕立て上げられたスーツのようなものだ。エレガントで、そのフォルムは完璧、ちょっと
エキゾチックな趣さえある。けれどもこれは決して、どんなシーズンにもどんな場でも着られる
コスト効率の高い洋服ではないのだ。
397:名称未設定
08/03/25 13:17:54 wOGkNTae0
別にパワーに見劣りしてないし接続性も
悪くないと思うけどなぁ。
まぁ人それぞれだけどさ。
398:名称未設定
08/03/25 13:19:10 fRkfrc7w0
信者の鑑です
399:名称未設定
08/03/25 13:34:57 k8WNIPDi0
>>6のバッテリーの儀式ってAirもやったほうがいいのかな？
400:名称未設定
08/03/25 13:52:42 glLmzu590
>>399
気休め
401:名称未設定
08/03/25 15:46:57 cKpqa5s70
>>345
なにこのハック。凄いんだけど。。。
402:名称未設定
08/03/25 16:21:37 wGj7sdMH0
何が起きた？
403:名称未設定
08/03/25 16:36:49 nI61lKTf0
火事が発生すると火事場見物に集まった人の写真をとりますが、
それは、放火犯自身が火事を見に来る確率が非常に高いから
です。また、善意の第３者を装って火事を消防署に連絡する輩も
多くみられます。
404:名称未設定
08/03/25 21:38:06 IBlsFZVy0
MacBookAirを購入したんですが、マウスも購入予定です。
Microsoftの2.4 GHz Bluetoothを採用したチルトホイール付き
5ボタンワイヤレスレーザーマウスを購入しようと思うのですが、
これはbluetooth内臓のAirでもUSBに付属のレシーバ？みたいのを
差し込まないと使用できないのでしょうか？
一つしかないUSBなので、できれば使わないで仕事したいのですが・・。
ご教授よろしくお願いいたします。
405:名称未設定
08/03/25 21:45:28 cKpqa5s70
「airでマウスは使うべからず」
406:名称未設定
08/03/25 21:52:03 8rjtp9y40
>>404
大丈夫。MicrosoftのBlueToothマウスは、そのままUSB埋めずに使えてる。
407:名称未設定
08/03/25 22:03:52 umX6XoVV0
>404
つーか、Airでマウス使うなんてもったいないよ。
マウス買う前にマルチタッチトラックパッド試してみなよ。
買うのはその後でも出来るでしょ？
408:名称未設定
08/03/25 22:09:30 WpMMoSDf0
なぜ我が物顔で他人の使用方法を指図できるんだ
409:名称未設定
08/03/25 22:09:39 qqjmKQlH0
兵学校で使うときは、やはりマウスがおすすめだね。
OS-Xのみなら、不要と思うけど。やっぱ窓では使いにくい。
410:名称未設定
08/03/25 22:16:55 Fc0rsNsG0
今日届いた。
めし喰い終わってこれから開封。
まずはバッテリーの儀式を、、、って気休めなのか。
411:名称未設定
08/03/25 22:26:54 wGj7sdMH0
雑誌や古新聞の間に丸一日挟んでおくのが最新の儀式
412:名称未設定
08/03/25 22:53:25 VseOCJbu0
すっごい馬鹿みたいな質問で申し訳ないのですが
バッテリーの儀式って一番最初に移行とかする前に
やるの？？？（移行するときはアダプターをつけていないと
だめですよね。アップデートとか、そういうの）
誰か教えて下さい。お願いします。
413:名称未設定
08/03/25 23:11:49 +SWpY9Ho0
>>404
MSのBTマウス、プレゼンターマウス8000使用中。
こいつについてたBTドングルは一回も挿すことなく、Airで使えてるよ。
BC+XPだけどね。
414:名称未設定
08/03/25 23:28:54 k8WNIPDi0
>>412
リンク先にAirの文字が無いしやらなくてもいい気がしてきた
それにバッテリーの残り時間も意外に正確
415:名称未設定
08/03/25 23:40:15 Fc0rsNsG0
「.Macに加入すると以下のサービスをお楽しみいただけます」という画面で購入する／しないのどれを選んでも戻ることも先へ行くこともできなくなった。なんじゃ？
416:名称未設定
08/03/26 00:00:19 M7qT3/mA0
マウス使ってる人、結構居るんだね
ちょっと驚いた
417:名称未設定
08/03/26 00:17:49 tTQzMLeX0
>>414
そっか～、ありがとう。
細かい事気にせずに、まず移行して
気が向いたら儀式やってみます。
数日前に買ったのに、忙しかったのでまだ開けてないんだ～。
418:名称未設定
08/03/26 00:39:52 sXbwfs7C0
私もこれまでマウスは使ったことがないけど、BootCampとかParallelsなんかでWindowsを使う場合は、指でのスクロールは速すぎて・・。
行き過ぎてしまいますね。
Winの時はマウスかな？
あるいは、スクロールの速度は変えられましたかね？
419:名称未設定
08/03/26 00:51:42 OMM3Qg2E0
環境設定のキーボードとマウス・・・って、winの時は知らんが。
420:名称未設定
08/03/26 01:22:50 8dvPUBsi0
>>412
気になるなら、また暇なときにでもすればよい
くらいのもの。
421:名称未設定
08/03/26 01:39:28 x6EFZ62h0
マウスについて質問した者です。
色々ご教授ありがとうございました。
仕事場で使用する際のためにプレゼンターマウス8000を購入します。
ありがとうございました。
422:名称未設定
08/03/26 14:46:18 c6bVIZO90
>>411
一緒に捨てられるぞw
423:名称未設定
08/03/26 20:32:14 vWenIxEu0
>>422
見つかると大変な事になるうちでは、
よく使う技だったりするw
424:名称未設定
08/03/26 23:40:40 dT5Proil0
今日、アップルストアでSuperDrive買ってきた。
ただ、厚さがAirより厚いってのはいかがなものか。。。
425:名称未設定
08/03/27 00:03:30 gLViP2gf0
>>423
前ｽﾚより
「ニュズウイークのステーブン・レヴィ。自分のおうちで、マクブク・ェァをなくす」
URLﾘﾝｸ(maku.ms)
426:名称未設定
08/03/27 00:25:56 fgpQ/r7j0
>>425
笑ったよね、その記事。
427:名称未設定
08/03/27 02:23:46 pryT6o950
>>426
でもなんか、セールスプロモーション臭がするとおもう俺は
世の中を斜めに見過ぎなんでしょうか
428:名称未設定
08/03/27 02:44:03 tmMYqom90
1.6 HDD
1.8 SSD
4通りのうち、どの構成で買うか悩んでるん
HDDモデルとSSDモデルのベンチ付き比較レビューへのリンクが、以前あったと思うんだけど
どこだっけ？
429:名称未設定
08/03/27 03:14:30 ueReS6t30
>>428
1.6HDDがベストバイ。
CPU；クロック数の差は価格差ほどはない。どうせ他にボトルネックが。
SSDとHDD；さほどスピード差はない。容量はHDDの勝ち。
なにより1.6HDDだと買いやすい。
その場で持ち帰れる上、値引きやポイントも見込める。
430:428
08/03/27 03:32:16 tmMYqom90
>>429
おお、なるほど
うん、コストパフォーマンス的には、1.6HDDが一番だよね
俺の用途だと、そのスペックでも十分なんだ
ただ、当たらし物好きの血が騒いで(;ﾟ∀ﾟ)=3ﾊｧﾊｧ
SSDに目が言っちゃうんだよね、そして価格を見て尻込みしちゃう
予算的には、最上位の構成でも大丈夫なんだけど…
3G iPhoneも胎動を始めてるし、差額でiPhone買えちゃうしなぁ
悩ましい
431:名称未設定
08/03/27 03:36:16 +Uh7/93f0
>>430
俺は買って満足SSD (・∀・)
432:名称未設定
08/03/27 06:07:11 9oqH4IeV0
当初の予測よりもドライブ換装が簡単そうだから、
価格と要領のバランスがもっとこなれた所でSSDに
換装しようと考えている。
今はHDD。
433:名称未設定
08/03/27 06:37:22 Pt0tqtuy0
>>432
しかし買い時が難しいだろうね。 インテルは毎年半分の値段になる
なんて宣言してるし。 まあHDDも同じことか。
434:名称未設定
08/03/27 06:54:19 ueReS6t30
256GBで3万以下になったら買う。
3年くらいか？いやその頃にはMacごと買い替えるな。
435:名称未設定
08/03/27 07:02:49 9oqH4IeV0
>>433
カキコの後に見た記事だけど。
URLﾘﾝｸ(techon.nikkeibp.co.jp)
判断材料は容量の大きさを望むのか、取り回しの良さを望むのかという
ところと価格の兼ね合いだろうね。現状HDDで容量的には余裕な使い方
なんで、おいら的には価格重視かな。
それ以前にメイン機のMBPを換装して容量アップさせたいのが優先なの
ですが…。
436:名称未設定
08/03/27 07:18:41 nEyg7qac0
>>435
２年後の2010年からが、SSDの本格的普及期になりそうだね。
その頃は、256GBが5万円くらいかなあ。
Airも、ver.3くらいになって、2.0GHzになってるかねえ。
俺はワイアレスUSBは要らない。
437:名称未設定
08/03/27 07:36:05 ueReS6t30
2010年くらいにはAirも2.6や2.8になってそう。
今年中に2.0はDELLんじゃない？
438:名称未設定
08/03/27 08:40:23 v2u2NIUy0
>>428
>>429
私は1.8HDDがベストバイだと思う。
私はそれにしています。
439:名称未設定
08/03/27 11:21:22 1TCV1YoT0
>>428
1.8 SSDが一番
Spotlightが瞬間で終わったりとか、常に30秒ぐらいでブートするとことか、アプリの起動の早さになれたら、HDDには戻れないね。
440:名称未設定
08/03/27 11:25:04 ueReS6t30
Spotlightは月に数度しか使わないし、
電源落とすのもアップデートがあるときだけだし、
アプリも本体電源切るときに落とすだけの俺は、
22万で買った1.6HDD万歳だなw
441:名称未設定
08/03/27 11:34:30 lYM4c+su0
個人的にSSDの魅力は早さよりも耐衝撃性
442:439
08/03/27 11:35:48 1TCV1YoT0
いやー、以前は俺もSpotlight使ってなかったんだけど
SSDのAirにしてから使うようになったよ。ようやく使用に
耐えるようになったって感じ？
あと、インデックスもほんとにいつ作ってるんだろうって感じだし。
#音もしないしね
まあ、実際に使ってみないとわからないと思うけどｗ
443:名称未設定
08/03/27 11:36:46 orp8LBj40
SSDを自転車の前かごに入れて通勤してるよ。
HDDの時には、衝撃をとても気にしながら走ってけど、
今はガンガン段差を超えては走ってるぜ。
444:名称未設定
08/03/27 11:47:40 E8ckAcV20
1.6 HD にすると、あとから1.8 SSD にすれば良かったなーと後悔するのが見
えているこのオレの性格。「最高を最初から」なので、オレは 1.8 SSD。
445:名称未設定
08/03/27 11:54:17 we6NgbeT0
モバイルノートの鉄則で５機種をピックアップ・08春新製品の選び方（４）
もちろん、今回取り上げた５機種以外にも有力なモバイルノートは存在する。
例えばアップルの「MacBook Air」には、視認性が高くて表示できる情報量が
多い13.3型液晶、卓越したデザイン性、モバイル環境でもMacOS Xが使えると
いう利点がある。（略）
今回の「鉄則」には微妙に及ばなかっただけで、用途やコストに限界がある場合には、
今回紹介した製品以上に魅力的な選択肢にもなりうるだろう。
URLﾘﾝｸ(it.nikkei.co.jp)
446:名称未設定
08/03/27 12:34:56 8VTsgnc50
>435
うちもメインはMBPだけど主起動ディスク
は外付けFW400のHDDにしたよ。
お出かけはAirだからね。
447:名称未設定
08/03/27 12:44:50 MAzoynS/0
外付けで起動すると若干遅くならない？
448:名称未設定
08/03/27 13:07:00 H1ZqZ7zuO
>>447
外付けが3.5インチならかえって速くなるのでは
449:名称未設定
08/03/27 13:10:57 H1ZqZ7zuO
>>438
俺がいる
でも今修理中。
カスタマイズしてると交換が難しい
450:446
08/03/27 13:18:07 SEmQy58n0
外付けは3.5” 7200rpmなので内蔵より
速いよ。
Airの場合はどうだろうね。速くなるのかな？
451:名称未設定
08/03/27 13:23:39 ueReS6t30
>>449
BTOで買ったけど、既に2度新品交換した
両方ともその場で交換できたよ。
>>450
Airでそれやるひといなそう
452:名称未設定
08/03/27 13:39:57 POiW3rk50
>>451
BTOってリアルストアで？ネットで？
453:名称未設定
08/03/27 13:44:52 ueReS6t30
リアルストア
454:名称未設定
08/03/27 15:24:18 POiW3rk50
>>453
リアルストアだとすぐに交換してくれるのね。
ネットで買うとBTOは３週間とか言われる。
455:名称未設定
08/03/27 16:52:23 fVA450G90
1.8 SSD買って来ました。US academicで税込み$3,110。
今の為替レートを見ていると得した気分。USでは既に
供給は潤沢っぽいです。うちの大学のコンピュータストアの
在庫状況は1.6 HDDが70台。1.8 SSDが35台とのこと。
456:名称未設定
08/03/27 17:03:52 vQMAp5Mg0
＞＞73
＞ ファンがガーガーとディスクアクセスみたいな音を断続的に出し始めた。
＞ 軸が曲がっているのか？
同じような音がする。位置からして明らかに、HDDじゃないし。F8のあたり。
10分～20分に一度、数秒間音がするんだが。。。
457:名称未設定
08/03/27 20:03:29 psTawcLa0
SSDに交換しようとしてる人は気をつけてね
不具合スレの62はそれでAir燃やしたみたいだからw
ところで今日初期不良の交換機が来たんだけど液晶って何種類かあるみたいだ
1台目のは表面ザラザラしてて青っぽい
2台目はツルツル？で少し優しい白だった
ザラザラのってスクロール中に気になってたから良かったよ
458:名称未設定
08/03/27 20:14:10 fgpQ/r7j0
>>457
やっぱりそうなのかな？
オレも初期不良で交換したんだけど、
交換前はつるつるな感じで表示も奇麗だったんだけど、
交換後のはぶつぶつのザラついた感じになってしまった。
かなり違うよねw よかったね。
感じていたのはオレだけで無い事に安心した。
459:名称未設定
08/03/27 20:14:42 EuQchdlw0
ざらざら？ ノングレアなの？
460:名称未設定
08/03/27 20:26:23 psTawcLa0
>>458
今試しに並べてみたんだけどもしかしたらザラザラのほうが見やすいかも・・
上下の視野角度が広いんだよなぁ
dockの色が全然違う
どーすればいいんだ
>>459
両方グレアだよ
461:名称未設定
08/03/27 21:34:29 fgpQ/r7j0
>>459
そういう意味じゃないよ。
>>460
まじでw
オレはツルツルのときよりも目の負担が増えたよ。
Airの良いポイントの１つだっただけに、
液晶パネル複数種存在にがっかりw
462:名称未設定
08/03/27 22:11:11 JDeSGPkm0
SSDとハードドライブで悩んでるんですけど、ちょっと素朴な質問。
SSDだと耐衝撃性OKって事だけど、ハードドライブだとそんなに弱いの？
ふと思ったんだけど、iPod Classicもハードドライブでしょ？
普段音楽再生しながらバンバン衝撃あっても壊れないんだけど・・。
これとは別ってこと？
463:名称未設定
08/03/27 22:13:41 +Uh7/93f0
SSDは、蓋を閉じてHDDが止まったかを確認せず持って歩ける所が助かってる。
やはり、稼働部がないという安心感はいい。
iPodのバンバンやって大丈夫なのは、HDDに衝撃が加わって読めないタイミングを
カバーする為の先読みをしているから。
これは、カーオーディオなんかでもやっている。
後、複数アプリ間でI/Oが競合したときもヘッダを取られないからか
速度が落ちないのも助かります。
464:名称未設定
08/03/27 22:18:59 xCNMfiFX0
>>462
加速度計が働いて自動停止する。衝撃がおさまればすぐに再始動するけど、タイムロス
ができる。iPodはメモリにキャッシュするから、それが尽きるまで何回でもミスできる。
465:名称未設定
08/03/27 22:31:50 JDeSGPkm0
>>463, 464
なるほど、そういう仕組みですか・・。
ってことは、SSDのがよさげだね。
俺の友達ハードドライブのヤツ買って２回交換してたし。
よ～し、SSD買っちゃうかな！
って、でも１０マン円の差悩むなあ・・・・。
466:73
08/03/27 22:52:48 uczijClp0
>>456
そうそう、ファンクションキーのあたり。
こっちは、音がしていて時々鳴り止んでいるような感じ。
静かな部屋だと気になる。元が非常に静かだっただけに
悔しい。
467:428
08/03/27 23:35:04 tmMYqom90
ああああ、>>431以降のレス読んだら、結局また決めきれねー
6月の3G iPhoneを信じて予算確保のため、最安の1.6HDDにしよう
カキコ時間の秒一桁めが偶数だったら、それで決定
468:428
08/03/27 23:35:45 tmMYqom90
決まった、1.6HDDポチるよ（・∀・）
469:名称未設定
08/03/27 23:45:58 m/3BtM//0
決まってよかったな。届いたら新聞の間に挟むんだよ
470:名称未設定
08/03/28 00:29:05 agjeyZ6k0
>>467
悩ませてごめん。
1.8HDDにしたら。だって３万ぐらいの差だから。
それにSSDよりは16G多い。これでも結構貴重よ。
私はそうだけど、BootCampも入れてまだ25Gほど余っている。
471:名称未設定
08/03/28 01:42:34 MySA6qvB0
monolingualマジおすすめ
要らない言語環境捨てて、立ち上げ時のシステムメモリの空きが1.4Gになった。
日本語と英語は絶対に捨てちゃ駄目だぞ。
472:456
08/03/28 07:57:34 IL2vTB3L0
やはりファンの軸が怪しいとみて、applestoreに修理依頼か…
ただ、こっちはいつ起こるかわからないから、再現のしようがない。
473:名称未設定
08/03/28 08:30:23 A9ROqChd0
厄介だぬ。
474:名称未設定
08/03/28 09:10:52 eNx8NAR40
1.8SSDを使っています。快適に使用していますが、海外出張を前にUSB ethenet adapterを購入しました。
マックOSで動かしている時は何ら問題ありませんが、BootCampでWinXPproで動かすとドライバーの
インストールに入り、先へ進めません。BootCampにこのアダプター用のドライバーは入っていないの
でしょうか？やり方が判る方よろしくお願い申し上げます。
475:名称未設定
08/03/28 09:32:37 +MR4i5Lf0
>>471
これいいねｗ 紹介ｻﾝｸｽｺ
Airと初代Mac Proで試したら、ディスク上で削れたのは220MBくらいだったので
あんまり大したことねぇじゃん…と思ったんだけど、
再起動してみると、確かに800MBくらいOSが確保するメモリが減った。
そんなに軽くなったりしてるわけじゃないけど、やけに気分的に快適になった希ｶﾞｽ
476:名称未設定
08/03/28 09:49:07 ZiXIPdUK0
>>475
言語よりも実はプリンタドライバが大変なことになっている
事実について。
477:名称未設定
08/03/28 10:09:28 b+zQncuT0
>>471
凄いね、そのソフト。
こんなに無駄なリソースを入れていたとは気がつかなかったよ。
ありがとうさん。
478:名称未設定
08/03/28 11:04:32 GTNOpTKv0
>>471
monolingualで要らない言語環境捨てることと、
クリーンインストール時に英語と日本語以外の言語環境を
インストールしないこととは別のことなの？
メモリが節約できるってことは
単にディスクを節約するのとは違うのか。
479:名称未設定
08/03/28 11:06:33 z9ff5KIU0
>>474
付属ディスクに入ってないのかな？
XP32bitであれば、ここにあるのはどうだろうか。
URLﾘﾝｸ(tnkgrl.wordpress.com)
オレはx64 XPを試しているので、これは入れられなかったけど。
Bluetoothとネットワークだけが不明デバイス状態だからUpdateもできない。どこかにないだろうか……
480:名称未設定
08/03/28 11:45:43 vEklyGWB0
>>467
６月に日本でiPhoneが出るなら、既に認証が下りてる時期。
認証が下りたら公表されるから、すぐに分かる。
逆に言うと６月にiPhoneは日本では出ない。
481:名称未設定
08/03/28 11:49:09 GsC73SQA0
>>476
いらないプリンタドライバって後からすてられるかな？
482:名称未設定
08/03/28 12:13:58 1LjQtbzn0
やっと近場のショップにAirが展示されて初めて見てきたけど、
思ってたより薄かったわ、タッチパネルの奥辺までつまめるほどで
ビックリした。
483:名称未設定
08/03/28 12:16:01 eNx8NAR40
>>479
今、外ですぐ試せないのだけれど、これみたいですね。大変有用な情報ありがとうございました。他の方は困って
いないのかな。試したらまた報告しますね。
484:名称未設定
08/03/28 14:47:45 dxfxJK8Y0
今週あたまに購入しました
BTOで1.8HDDに変更しました
みなさんはHDDのパーテーションはどうしてますか？
80Gという中途半端な容量ですよね
用途は外出時の書類制作 Officeとネット メール限定なんですけど
初期化しないでパーテーションキレるみたいなんですけどその方法って
問題ないですかね？
485:名称未設定
08/03/28 14:53:21 dxfxJK8Y0
充電器って原稿PBと同じですよね？
PB用使って問題ないですよね？
486:名称未設定
08/03/28 15:14:43 Byh1RS7K0
>>485
充電端子に繋がるマグセーフの形状が違ってるよ。
PB用はテーブルにつかえるのでおすすめしない。
487:名称未設定
08/03/28 15:51:01 WrlIpD5p0
既出かもですが、
スリープから復帰するとドラックが出来なくなる事がしばしば起こる。
新しいMBPも持ってる方はどうですか？
488:名称未設定
08/03/28 15:54:15 WrlIpD5p0
失礼しました。
クリックボタンは使わず、
トラックパットで二本指使用時の状況で、です。
489:名称未設定
08/03/28 16:19:03 0CTI4uiE0
これかなりかっこいいんだが衝撃には弱いだろうか....？
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.kyoto2001.co.jp)
490:名称未設定
08/03/28 16:23:36 2qtPSJLI0
カバータイプのが出てほしいね。
しかしカバータイプはどのように固定しているんだろう？
491:名称未設定
08/03/28 16:33:34 +1KvJi5u0
>>489
どこがかっこいいのかわからないしおっさん臭くしか見えない・・・
５０代ぐらいのおじさんかな？
492:名称未設定
08/03/28 17:28:11 tcqE2Byv0
俺はケース装着のまま使いたいので、現状では↓しかなさそう。
で、早速注文した。ブラック以外許せないのでブラックで。
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.visavis.jp)
名刺ケースとか激しくいらんから、もうちょっとカコヨク作って欲しい。
つーか、↓みたいな、装着したまま使えるカコイイケース出ないかな。
出たら即買いなのだが。
URLﾘﾝｸ(item.rakuten.co.jp)
↑これはMBP17"用に買ったんだが、本体がまだ届かん。
493:名称未設定
08/03/28 17:29:10 RlRCxz7O0
iPhoneをハッキングした研究者、MacBook Airも2分で制圧
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.computerworld.jp)
494:名称未設定
08/03/28 18:27:36 A9ROqChd0
センスってもんは色々だな。
495:名称未設定
08/03/28 18:29:17 U7atx+0o0
HDがたまに大きい音でカチッ！っていうけど大丈夫かな？
496:名称未設定
08/03/28 18:29:48 50Tmw9Cw0
>>492
>URLﾘﾝｸ(item.rakuten.co.jp)
えぇーーーーっ！ダサ杉
497:名称未設定
08/03/28 19:55:00 n5k6K5x60
黒のエアーがでたら、デザインだけでかってしまうかも。
498:名称未設定
08/03/28 19:57:42 +5Mahudv0
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499:名称未設定
08/03/28 20:33:24 j5/DDf0J0
>>495
1.8HDDの中の小人がノックしてます。
2.5には居ません。
500:名称未設定
08/03/28 21:14:57 M3GBRZ8XO
こんにちは、アップルストアのナオトです。
ニヤケ顔がキモくてすいません。