05/02/05 12:47:28
>>45
その用途なら間のDB抜いてNFSv4のpsude file systemだけで行けそう。
といってもpsude file systemをまともにサポートしてる実装が
あるかどうかは知らんけど…
48:NAME IS NULL
05/02/07 08:49:24 IQ375Ddz
フォルダのまんまじゃなくてアーカイブ1個で管理しやすくて、かつora以外が良いなー。
oraでも良いんだけど、\10,000,000 はきつくなーぃ？
49:NAME IS NULL
05/02/08 08:40:23 dcdxKcrI
これから文書サーバーとかこういう用途が増えそうじゃない？
50:NAME IS NULL
05/02/09 04:56:22
>>47
それ以前に、NFSは…。
NFSv2 NFSv3 NFSv4
Linux △ × ×
*BSD .○ ○ △
Solaris ○ ○ ○
Linuxに至っては未だにv2ですら一部変な動作するし、v3は同名を使った変な独自仕様で
他のUNIX環境と混ぜると中途半端に動きやがるし。
*BSD系はSUNからのソース提供を元に移植しているようで互換性は良いが如何せん常に
対応が少々遅れ気味だし。
結局の所、まともに実装しているのはSolarisくらいしかない罠。
51:NAME IS NULL
05/02/09 08:40:55 /cLD7E5y
NFSってただのネットワークドライブ割当なんじゃないの？
52:NAME IS NULL
05/02/09 23:44:09 GzpscMdW
>>30
psqlfsとかは違う？
53:NAME IS NULL
05/02/10 09:15:15 qU/ZXEwa
>>52
イメージ的にはそれなんだけど、それって情報無いけど、、、完成してんの？
54:NAME IS NULL
05/02/10 16:19:57 qU/ZXEwa
>>52
WinFSみたいだね。
膨大なファイル数だったとしても、実態をアーカイブに纏めてくれるのかな。
55:NAME IS NULL
05/02/10 20:52:33
>>1
ftp
56:52
05/02/10 22:07:44 yG9yTsQD
最近登場したばかりだからまだ完成していないと思う。
WinFSが登場する前にLinuxでpsqlfsとかが安定して動作してくるとかなり面白いことになりそう。
テストできるマシンが手に入ったらためしてみます。
57:NAME IS NULL
05/02/12 11:05:50
WinFSってOODBでセッションもガンガン保存するのかと思ってた
58:NAME IS NULL
05/02/12 21:48:20
>>57
今までの発表内容からすると
・SQLServerにファイルを突っ込み、バージョン管理もする。
・あらゆるファイルの実体やメタデータを全文検索用にインデックス化し、要約表示。
psqlfs+subversion+namazuあたりをゴッチャにしたような感じかと。
59:NAME IS NULL
05/02/14 00:42:44
>>58
なんとしてもディレクトリをLinuxから触られたくないって気持ちが手に取るようにわかるね。（ｗ
60:NAME IS NULL
05/02/14 08:49:14 GQ/oG+Ie
>>59
WinFSが目指すところとか、開発が遅れてる理由はそれだったのか（驚愕
確かに普通に作るんだったら開発自体無問題の筈だし。
60ｹﾞﾄ
61:NAME IS NULL
05/02/15 04:16:28
>>60
WinFSが目指すモノ・掲げているモノは現状のOracle製品で全て出来る訳ですが、
遅れている理由は個人向けハードウェア(特にHDD)の性能が全くと言っていいほど
追いつかないからでしょう。
62:NAME IS NULL
05/02/15 04:51:49
エクスプローラ含めアプリが用意できてないんじゃないかな。
63:NAME IS NULL
05/02/15 08:43:08
>>61
とにかくﾎﾞﾗｸﾙは嫌だ
64:NAME IS NULL
05/02/20 22:29:21 hqP+1jHN
>>63
Oracleのボッタクリ価格以上の値を付けているハードウェアと同性能のPCが
30万程度で買えるようになったら、オープンソースコミュニティも活発化するでしょう。
65:NAME IS NULL
05/02/23 06:09:17 37bPISA1
昔、光ディスクのストレージ(MOジューク)をBLOB領域として使っちゃうシステムで開発やってたけど、
性能うんぬんよりも、MOメディアが途中で死にまくって
「おにいちゃん、BLOBにアクセスできないよぉ」
な状態になってアレだった。
66:NAME IS NULL
05/02/23 08:34:14
で、そのシステムはどうなったわけ？
67:NAME IS NULL
05/02/27 00:19:55
>>65
ん ?
光ディスク上に DB 作成したってこと ?
自分は アフォ ですって公言してるようなもんだと思うが。
68:NAME IS NULL
05/02/28 10:33:01
んー。
昔ジョブスはそういうワークステーションを馬鹿高い値段で販売してたな。
印刷大手の会社で大量に見かけて一体...と思ったことあるが。
69:NAME IS NULL
05/03/02 08:05:25
>>68
白黒ディスプレイのヤツ？
70:NAME IS NULL
05/03/03 22:57:41
NeXTのことか?
あれはリムーバブルメディアとしてMOを採用してただけだよ。
普通にHDも載せてた。
ありゃ画面のレンダリングがDisplay PostScriptだったから
印刷業界には重宝されたんでないかな。
設計思想はずば抜けていたが、時代とハードが追い付いてなかった例。
71:NAME IS NULL
05/03/04 17:14:19
最初はHDDなしだったよ。
72:65
05/03/05 05:27:59
>自分は アフォ ですって公言してるようなもんだと思うが。
いやいや、なにせ昔の話でさ、今考えるとアフォな話なんだけどさ、
なにせ、容量が容量だったんでRAIDで組むと値段が高いし、
収めるデータは参照の方が多いし、スピードよりも長期保存重視だし、
ハードウェアベンダーもサポートしまっせ、って話だったんで、
んじゃ、やるか、っつー話になったんだ。
(ちなみにMOジューク本体に収める予定だったデータが1TBぐらい、
そのMOに入ってる1TBの管理用の情報が数GB～数十GBぐらい)
結局ね、運用してみたら最初はまぁなんとか動いていたんだけどね。
最後の方はエラいことになったね。
なんせメディアだけじゃなくて、MOジューク本体が壊れまくって、
毎週ハードウェア保守でDBサーバ止めてたよ。
73:NAME IS NULL
05/03/07 13:55:30 7mPFvVYX
他に類似事例は無いの？
74:NAME IS NULL
05/03/07 22:12:30
>>72
> (ちなみにMOジューク本体に収める予定だったデータが1TBぐらい、
ほう、MO で 1TB か...、ハードの型名書いてくれよ。
75:NAME IS NULL
05/03/08 11:26:50
>>74
MOジュークって書いてあるやん。阿呆やなぁ…
76:NAME IS NULL
05/03/08 16:38:13
1TBのジュークって何枚ぐらい積めるん？
77:NAME IS NULL
05/03/09 08:46:38 4CLOAER6
つまりタイトルのシステムを作るのに、
MOジュークはダメでつ、
という結論ですね。
78:NAME IS NULL
05/06/22 10:56:52 T+VC4+gT
RDBに逝れてもおｋ？
79:NAME IS NULL
05/11/10 00:42:39
？
80:NAME IS NULL
05/11/10 00:43:00
#&9829
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82:NAME IS NULL
07/05/16 10:26:25 FwlyW6AL
解決策は？
83:NAME IS NULL
07/05/17 01:43:26
結局Oracleしかない
数年前と結論が同じとは進歩のねぇ分野だな
84:NAME IS NULL
07/05/17 09:08:27
Ora以外のDBじゃだめなの？
85:NAME IS NULL
07/05/29 08:55:09 Zo2NPCW2
比較的安くて、ファイルをストアーする製品とか無いですか？
かつ、信頼性があって、破壊されても復旧メソッドもあるやし。
86:NAME IS NULL
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で、みんなどうするよ？
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88:NAME IS NULL
07/09/08 21:53:54
そんな用途にOracleと言うかRDB使うやつはいない。
そんなんうｐロダを自前の鯖で稼動させるだけで十分だろ。
信頼性とか復旧とか心配するなら、二重化しとけ。
89:NAME IS NULL
07/09/10 09:09:13
＞うｐロダ
この中の人は何でできてんだ？
90:NAME IS NULL
07/09/10 09:34:57
大抵は原始的なCSVまたはその派生テキストだろ
ファイルの中身検索する必要ないならせいぜいファイルのリストをRDBに突っ込むくらいで十分だよね
91:NAME IS NULL
07/09/10 20:08:22
検索とか集計とかしないのに、ファイルをドカドカ入れるだけの目的で
RDB使うバカはいないだろうな。
92:NAME IS NULL
07/09/11 08:46:30
じゃ、何使うわけ？
素でファイルをハードディスクに入れるのはキチガイだお。
一番ハードが壊れやすい。
93:NAME IS NULL
07/09/11 09:09:50
>>92
94:NAME IS NULL
07/09/11 21:26:11
とりあえず>>92がキチガイってのはわかった。
95:NAME IS NULL
07/09/12 10:32:10
キチガイ言うものがキチガイ。
96:NAME IS NULL
07/09/12 21:50:44
つまり>>95が害基地って事か
97:NAME IS NULL
07/09/15 22:02:39
>>95の言うことを信じるならそういうことになる。
98:NAME IS NULL
07/10/15 13:24:03 zy7elCp0
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.akibablog.net)
時代はテラバイトなのに、RDBのBLOBにファイル入れたら遅すぎるお＞＜
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07/11/12 20:47:45
真面目な話、フェッチのコストでコネクションプールを食いつぶすハメにならない？
BLOBってシリアライズデータを保管したりするのが関の山じゃない？
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106:NAME IS NULL
07/11/21 02:33:45 cLs4Rj4s
oracle11g がいいのでは？
BLOB型とか特殊な型の圧縮付き格納めちゃ早みたいよ。
107:NAME IS NULL
07/11/21 08:40:37
＞BLOB型とか特殊な型の圧縮付き格納めちゃ早
そうなんだ、超速いのかどうか試してみたいな。
108:NAME IS NULL
07/11/21 19:33:19
一体型ならそれでもいいけど、圧縮するならAppServer側でやりたいとこだね。
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08/02/04 23:08:58
>>100
>BLOBってシリアライズデータを保管したりするのが関の山じゃない？
なるほど。
OpenPNEは画像ファイルをMySQLに格納している。
c_imageっていうテーブルがあって、その中にBLOBで入れてる。
せいぜい数メガバイト程度のファイルにしておいた方が無難かな？
116:NAME IS NULL
08/02/05 09:42:15 vdwqYKt3
＞OpenPNEは画像ファイルをMySQLに格納している。
何メガのファイルで、何秒くらいかかってますか？
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つか、そんな巨大なデータって動画だろ？
ストリーミング配信にするんだろうから、DBなんかにいれちゃだめ
バックアップが面倒とかそんなアホくさい理由でやる事じゃない
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>>123
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じゃ、ファイルのまま扱うの？
126:NAME IS NULL
08/10/29 13:22:58
>>125
そうだよ。数十MB以上あるストリーミング用データをDBに入れるなんてナンセンス。
ストリーミングのためにわざわざ全データをメモリ上もしくはストレージ上に展開するのか？
そんなアホな事するぐらいなら最初からファイルのまま扱う。
127:NAME IS NULL
08/10/29 15:58:12
ファイル数が１０万とかなったりしない？
128:NAME IS NULL
08/10/29 16:44:37
>>127
なんか問題ある？
129:NAME IS NULL
08/10/29 17:38:05
ハードディスクが壊れやすくなると思うんだけど。
あ、サーバー専用の高価なハードにするしかないってこと？
デュプレックスみたいな。
130:NAME IS NULL
08/10/29 19:49:52
>>129
ん？10万もの動画ファイルをDBいれりゃ、HDDアクセスは増えるから寿命は短くなる。
逆だと思ってるの？
131:NAME IS NULL
08/10/30 10:48:29
じゃ、ＤＢに入れる入れないの境界値はどんな感じなん？
132:NAME IS NULL
08/10/30 13:14:31
>>131
メモリ上に展開した時にメモリを食わない、すぐに開放できる → DB
とんでもなくメモリを食う、すぐに開放できない → DBにすべきじゃない
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136:NAME IS NULL
08/11/05 11:10:03
>>130
こんなのもあるけど使えるんかなあ？
＞外部記憶データベース
＞URLﾘﾝｸ(netakiri.net)
＞外部記憶DBはフリーのデータベスエンジンFirebirdを使用しているため登録した大量のテキスト中から
＞瞬時に目的の語句を発見するのにも適しています。
＞Firebirdはデータ保存に一つのファイルしか使わないため、簡単にデータの保守、管理ができます。
137:NAME IS NULL
08/11/07 04:12:40
>>136
ＤＢがoracleだろうがfirebirdだろうが、巨大なデータを格納し、それをメモリ上に展開するのは変わらん。
メモリを何ＴＢでも積めるならやったらいいが、バックアップが大変などという理由でそんなシステムを組みたいなんていうアホ技術者がいたら俺ならクビにするけどね。
動画を分割してＤＢに入れるっていう手もあるが、バックアップが大変とか言う人間がそんな手間のかかる事をするとも思えないしな。
138:NAME IS NULL
08/11/12 15:21:44
ＧＦＳ／ＢｉｇＴａｂｌｅ、そのオプソクローンとかどうなん？
＞URLﾘﾝｸ(gigazine.net)
＞Googleのあの巨大な検索システムなどを支えるデータベース「BigTable」は書き込みが毎秒700MB、
＞読み込みが毎秒18GBという化け物システムなのですが、
＞それのクローンを作るプロジェクト「Hypertable」というのがあるようです。
＞URLﾘﾝｸ(www.infoq.com)
＞Googleライクなオープンソースインフラストラクチャ「Hadoopプロジェクト」が弾みをつける
139:NAME IS NULL
08/11/24 19:21:18 RDK3hNnq
動画ファイルを、DBに入れて管理しようなんて考える奴とかいるのか？
十数ユーザ程度の同時アクセスで、あっさりとDB落ちそうだ。ｗｗｗ
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141:NAME IS NULL
08/11/25 09:47:09
>>139
>動画ファイルを、DBに入れて管理しようなんて考える奴とかいるのか？
DBに入れるという話じゃない。
例えば、ググルは巨大なファイルをＢｉｇＴａｂｌｅというＤＢで管理してるわけじゃん。
アプリはＢｉｇＴａｂｌｅに対してデータの入出力を行うが、ＢｉｇTableの実態は分散ＰＣ、みたいな。
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147:NAME IS NULL
08/11/27 16:27:12 JaOmszHx
>URLﾘﾝｸ(emasaka.blog65.fc2.com)
>Q: DBで大きなデータがあって、Hadoopで解析するとき、同期は
>A: 大きなデータでは同期はしない。たとえば数時間に1度ダンプしてきて処理するようにする
やっぱDB使ってるそうだおｗ
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もう4th Dimensionしかねぇな。
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171:NAME IS NULL
08/12/11 08:55:49
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いい加減、コピペの嵐レスにうんざり。
172:NAME IS NULL
08/12/11 15:52:13
スレ立てよりも、お前が専ブラを使うのが先じゃないか？
173:NAME IS NULL
08/12/11 19:14:03
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