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The Truth Behind Japan-Korea History Issue 3-1
News Wide Japan
OTAKA: Now we have today's guest, a professor at Tokyo Christian Institute and a
permanent vice chairman of the abduction victims support group, Mr. Tsutomu Nishioka.
IJIRI: Good evening.
NISHIOKA: Good evening. Thank you for inviting me today.
OTAKA: Mr. Nshioka, you wrote a book recently.
NISHIOKA: It's embarrassing.
OTAKA: It's here, "Truth of Japan-Korea history issue - All began from lies -" released
by PHP. Anyway Japan-Korea history issue has really been made complicated. (0:39)
MAEDA: Yeah.
IJIRI: Ummm.
OTAKA: I'd like to ask you what has made it so complicated. (0:43)
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NISHIOKA: OK.
OTAKA: First of all, Japan paid $500 million of compensation in 1965 for issues between nations and the compensation's been done then, hasn't it ? (0:52)
NISHIOKA: Well, we don't have to compensate anymore.
OTAKA: Uh huh.
IJIRI: Ummm.
NISHIOKA: Japan provided the economic assistance as I wrote in this book. (0:58)
OTAKA: Uh huh.
NISHIOKA: There are words like remedy and compensation but usually a victory nation takes them from a defeated nation, right ?
IJIRI: Ummm.
OTAKA: Uh huh.
NISHIOKA: However, Japan has never fought against Korea. (1:12)
IJIRI: That's right.
OTAKA: They fought with Japan against enemies.
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NISHIOKA: Right, because they sided with Japan.
IJIRI: Um, um, that's right.
NISHIOKA: However, Rhee Syng-man cabinet wanted to get a compensation from Japan. (1:19)
MAEDA: Ohhhhh.
OTAKA: Yes.
NISHIOKA: So "they asked to treat themselves as one of the victory nations
in the San Francisco Peace Treaty". (1:22)
IJIRI: Uh Yes.
NISHIOKA: They insisted that "they had the refugee government" for the reason,
but weren't accepted internationally. It means Korea didn't have the right to claim
compensation. Japan didn't build the framework but the victory nations did. However,
Korea became independent without any treaty or agreement and had assets Japanese left in Korea. (1:52)
IJIRI: That's right.
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NISHIOKA: Koreans' assets in Japan, unpaid wages, compensation for injured people etc.
remained untouched in both nations. So to speak, it's like "a couple who beganseparate
lives without a consent leaving one's assets in the other's house and how one should
claim his or her own assets". It's so called a claim right. (2:15)
MAEDA: It's very easy to understand.
NISHIOKA: As for the claim right, it's written in the San Francisco Peace Treaty as
"Both nations should talk about it".
OTAKA: Uh huh.
NISHIOKA: Therefore they were done with the compensation for the past and the claims,
and they achieved 1965 normalization of diplomatic relations between nations.
Everything was over. (2:37)
OTAKA: Right. The claims and the economic assistance.
NISHIOKA: Speaking of the claim right a bit more, Japan MOFA made Japan's sovereignty
and national interest top priority, though they were totally defferent from MOFA today,
at the time th`ey claimed "Japan was albe to get more than Korea".
IJIRI: Uh huh.
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NISHIOKA: In fact Japan had more assets in Korea than Korea had in Japan.
IJIRI: Yeah, they overwhelmingly did. (3:10)
NISHIOKA: Not wanting to accept Japan's claims, Korea lobbied at the San Francisco
Peace Treaty so the US would be able to confiscate Japan's assets. After three years
of US military administration, Republic of Korea was established and then the US Military
gave the assets to Korea. Korea successfully made a sentence "Japan agrees with
the US's process on Japan's assets." written in the San Francisco Peace Treaty. (3:33)
MAEDA: Ahhh.
NISHIOKA: Therefore Japan agreed with what the US did but not Korea did. Here arises
the controversy as to whether Japan lost the claim right or not. But according to the
Hague Convention respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land, one of the
international laws regarding a war, an enactment of a constitution at a conquest like
the Constitution of Japan was prohibited. Even a victory nation wasn't able to
confiscate a civilian's assets according to the convention. (4:01)
MAEDA: Uh huh.
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NISHIOKA: Having signed the San Francisco Peace Treaty, Japan had to give
up public assets such as the assets of Governor-General of Korea and of Chosun army.
IJIRI: I'd think so.
NISHIOKA: Japan signed the San Francisco Peace Treaty as the defeated nation.
However as for assets Japanese civilians left in Korea, though the US gave them
to Korea, Japan had the claim right for them. "Japan wanted them back in cash."
Meanwhile Korea had the claim right for unpaid wages and assets in Japan and said,
"Let's negotiate them.", then Japan said, "Japan's claim is more than yours by
our estimation.".(4:48)
MAEDA: And what happened ?
NISHIOKA: I want to tell you one thing before I tell you what happened.
MAEDA: Uh huh.
NISHIOKA: Japan still hasn't compensate North Korea for the past, right ?(4:57)
IJIRI: Ummm.
OTAKA: That's right.
NISHIOKA: It's because North Korea didn't join the San Francisco Peace Treaty,
Soviet as well. (5:05)
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IJIRI: No, Ex-communist countries didn't.
NISHIOKA: Ex-communist countries didn't join the San Francisco Peace Treaty.
Soviet occupied North Korea. As ex-communist countries didn't join the treaty,
Japan has never agreed with the process of Soviet military confiscating Japan's
assets and giving them to North Korea. (5:17)
MAEDA: Ummm.
NISHIOKA: Therefore Japan still has the claim right for public and private assets
left in North Korea. (5:25)
MAEDA: Does Japan still have the right ?
NISHIOKA: Yes it does.
IJIRI: It hasn't been settled. (5:29)
NISHIOKA: Japan gave up pulic assets in Korea by the San Francisco Peace Treaty
but private assets still remain unsettled. "Japan's claim is more than Korea's only
for private assets.", Japan said. Then they had trouble with each other. Korea said,
"What are you talking about ? No matter what you say, the "Cairo Declaration" says,
"Japan's colony is in a state of enslavement.". Note: The Cairo Declaration has been
unratified. They said, "It's not fair Japan gets more than we do as they have committed
vicious war crimes.". Then Japanese representative Mr. Kubota said, "No matter
what story you fake, we planted trees and built schools for your nation during annexation.". (6:05)
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IJIRI: That's right.
OTAKA: "Japan built railroads too."
NISHIOKA: "I will have no choice but to say all of those good things.", he said.
Then Korean representative thumped the desk in anger and said, "Then we can't
negotiate anymore.". Note: They haven't changed at all since then. It's known well
as Kubota remark. Having looked into the news papers at the time, I found a
sentence "How true, Mr.Kubota." even in Asahi news paper, the other papers as well. (6:22)
MAEDA: Ohhh, even Asahi news wrote like that ?
NISHIOKA: Many people knew the facts in those days. A diplomatic negotiation usually
ends up being compromised at the center of both claims. Thus a tough claim should
be submitted first and it's changed easier gradually. Looking back to the world
situation in those days, the Japan-US-Korea triangle alliance confronted the
Soviet-China-North Korea triangle alliance. The West confronted the East.
It would be bad for Japan's national interest to see the red flag being placed in
Busan. Japan had to resolve the conflict with Korea under such circumstance.
The US intermediated to settle the dispute over "Japan's claim larger than Korea's".
US Department of State submitted the document the "America's understanding of
the San Francisco Peace Treaty" and said, "Japan shouldn't insist on more claims
than Korea's. Instead as Japan left the huge amount of assets in Korea, Korea's claim
should include those assets. Consider this when both countries discuss the claims.".
It was an intermediate compromise proposal and Japan accepted it. (7:47)
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NISHIOKA: Japan asked Korea to show the concrete number of conscripted workers
and soldiers, dead and injured and how much unpaid wages were. They asked to "
show the evidences and they would pay". "Korea agreed" and investigated them.
What I want to clarify here is that Korea didn't claim the compensation for the war
time prostitutes. 8.17
MAEDA: Didn't they ?
IJIRI: It's because there was no abducted prostitute. (8:25)
NISHIOKA: You are right. And we know Rhee Syng-man was an anti Japan chief of Korea.
IJIRI: He knew the fact about it.
NISHIOKA: Nobody said at the time in Korea, those prostitutes were abducted.
Everyone knew there were many women who were so poor that they sold themselves
to live and the Japan army didn't have to abduct Chosun women. There were many
Chosun volunteers for Japan army at the time. (9:00)
IJIRI: Yeah, I know.
MAEDA: Uh huh.
NISHIOKA: Knowing their sisters and mothers had forcibly been taken to the brothels
and raped, they wanted to join Japan army ?
MAEDA: No they couldn't. (9:17)
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NISHIOKA: They couldn't, could they ? They would have shot Japanese soldiers.
OTAKA: Uh huh.
MAEDA: Definitely they would.
NISHIOKA: Everyone knew everything at the time. (9:28)
IJIRI: What you told is the fact.
NISHIOKA: Therefore they didn't claim it, but there were conscripted soldiers
and workers. Japan "agreed to pay for them", but amount of money for claims
wasn't more than only $100 million. (9:38)
MAEDA: Was it that small ?
IJIRI: Unpaid wage was a rare case.
MAEDA: But Japan paid $500 million. (9:45)
NISHIOKA: There is one more thing people misunderstood. They always
compare Japan with Germany and insist "Germany compensated individuals". (9:58)
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MAEDA: I hear that so often.
NISHIOKA: However Korean regimes including Rhee Syng-man and Park
Chung-hee also, refused Japan's pensions for conscripted soldiers who
had had tough lives in Japan army and injured conscripted workers. (10:18)
MAEDA: Ohhhhh.
NISHIOKA: Korea said "Don't do it." and "Korean government will get
all of them". Korean government will get the compensations for all claims
including those for Korean civilians' assets."
MAEDA: Well done.
NISHIOKA: I think it's natural as a dependent state.
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