14/03/09 15:30:56.50
自衛隊は悪くないって前提で語ってるヤツは宗教と同じだろ
145:名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。
14/03/09 15:44:31.98 dxLvj79E
>>141
戦争に備える自衛隊が、練習空域をあらかじめ言わないのは当然だろ。
じゃないと、訓練にはならないからな。
全日空機の過失が事故原因だよ。
146:名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。
14/03/09 23:42:42.49
戦争に備える以前に民間人を死なせたらアカンやろ･･･
147:名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。
14/03/10 13:41:10.58 eJG0peXI
>>146
民間人を死なせたのは全日空だろ。
148:名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。
14/03/10 22:09:37.33
裁判結果を無視して民間なんか守れるのかい？
149:名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。
14/03/11 18:56:35.97
いつの間にか国なんかより組織が大事みたいな思考になっちゃうんだろうね
150:名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。
14/03/12 00:08:05.11
官僚とかもそうだしね
国益より省益
151:名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。
14/03/13 21:28:50.52
遺族の前で自衛隊は全く悪くないと面と向かって言って来い
152:名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。
14/03/27 02:24:44.60
自衛隊の不幸は戦前型軍隊を引き摺っている所だな
国防軍編成に際しては、組織防衛第一、根性精神論第一主義
の旧軍型組織から完全脱皮してもらいたいもんだ
まあ、一定以上の日本の組織ってのは
民間だろうが官界だろうが、何故か似たような
硬直化した組織になってしまうんだがな
153:名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。
14/03/27 09:02:37.37
国を守るはずの自衛隊が民間人を死に至らしめたという判決が下ったのがこの事故だろ
154:事故後の航空管制に係る日米両国の措置についての記述-1
14/05/03 07:02:46.98
― Excerpts from the annual historical report of the HQ. USFJ (CY 1971), pp. 75-77. ―
SECTION II - HEADQUARTERS, USFJ RELATIONS WITH NON-DOD AGENCIES
* MINISTRY OF TRANSPORTATION - Air Traffic Control
(U) On 30 July 1971, a catastrophic mid-air collision occurred between an All Nippon Airways Boeing 727
and a Japan Air Self Defense Force (JASDF) F-86 at an altitude of 28,000 feet over northern Japan which
claimed the lives of all 162 persons aboard the 727; the JASDF F-86 pilot parachuted to safety. The immediate
repercussions of this, the worst aviation disaster in history, were immediate and included resignation of the
Japan Defense Agency (JDA) Director General Masuhara, the JASDF Chief of Staff General Ueda, the arrest
of the F-86 pilot on charges of manslaughter, the suspension of all Self Defense Force flight training and the
imposition of new Air Traffic Control (ATC) regulations concerning Government of Japan (GOJ) military flying
activities. [16] These measures included (1) that all military testing and training flights would be performed
in designated training airspace separated from airports and airways and (2) Visual Flight Rules (VFR) operations
would not be conducted within controlled airspace or airways. Negotiations were then initiated through the
Civil Aeronautics Subcommittee of the Joint Committee with Japan Civil Aeronautics Board (JCAB) authorities
in order to establish appropriate training airspace that could be used by U.S. military aircraft. On 2 September
1971, a meeting of the Civil Aeronautics Subcommittee was held at the JCAB Headquarters. At this time, U.S.
Forces training airspace requirements were presented to the Japanese side. In order to preclude imposition of
similar ATC restrictions upon U.S. aircraft and until such time as adequate training airspace was made available
to U.S. Forces, a memorandum was submitted to the Joint Committee. In this memorandum, the U.S.
representative made the U.S. position a matter of record, i.e., that no action would be taken by the GOJ that
would affect current flight operations under agreement by, the Joint Committee. [17] On 17 September 1971,
the JCAB established, by Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) C-362, four high-altitude special use training areas
(A, C, G and K) for use by Japan Self Defense Force (JSDF) aircraft in addition to special airspace corridors
which would be used by all aircraft transiting these areas. [18] Procedures for U.S. Forces use of these and
future special training areas were agreed to by the Joint Committee on 22 September 1971. These procedures
require that U.S. Forces Japan, through the Fifth Air Force Combat Operations Center (5AF COC), notify the
JASDF of all U.S. Government requirements to use JSDF special use training airspace. [19] Implementing
procedures were then coordinated and established between Fifth Air Force Deputy Chief of Staff (DCS)
/Operations and Japan Air Defense Command (JADC) DCS/Operations by an Interservice agreement signed
on 5 October 1971 and which became effective on 15 October 1971. [20] In essence, this agreement specified
that all U.S. Forces units provide 5AF COC with a daily intent message whenever flying activities penetrate
/operate within JSDF training/testing airspace. The message indicates area to be utilized, time and altitude.
Information is compiled by 5AF COC and passed to JADC on a daily basis. In the meantime, the JCAB
established, by NOTAMs C-523 through 530, additional special use training areas B, L, N. P and Q, in addition
to corridors for each airspace.
155:事故後の航空管制に係る日米両国の措置についての記述-2
14/05/03 07:04:22.35
(>>154続き)
(U) There were no additional special airspace training areas established throughout the remainder of 1971.
The JCAB, however, indicate that no training areas would be established solely for U.S. forces and to use
JSDF special use training areas on a joint use basis with JSDF aircraft in accordance with established
procedures. The U.S. position remains that until adequate training airspace is provided with current operating
procedures as established by the 3 September 1971 Joint Committee Memorandum.
[Footnotes]
[16] COMUSJAPAN (S) message 061010Z Aug 71, Subj: Aｌｌ Nippon Airways Boeing 727 collision with
JASDF F-86 (U), to CINCPAC, with info copy to AMEMB Tokyo.
[17] U.S. Forces Japan Memorandum, Maj Gen Richard M. Lee, U.S. Representative, to the Joint Committee,
3 Sep 71, Subj: Air Traffic Control.
[18] 5th AF (U) message 170147Z Sep 71, Subj: High Altitude Special Use Airspace for JASDF Aircraft to
COMUSJAPAN and all Service Component Commands in Japan having aircraft assigned.
[19] U.S. Forces Japan Memorandum, Maj Gen Richard M. Lee, U.S. Representative to the Joint Committee,
22 Sep 71, Subj: high Altitude Training/Testing Airspace.
[20] Ltr, 5AF DCS/Operations to JADC, 5 Oct 71, Subj: Dissemination of United States Forces (USF) Flight
Data to Japan Air Defense Command (JADC).
156:名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。
14/05/04 13:29:28.72
自衛隊に過失ってことか
157:名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。
14/05/04 18:32:12.12
>>156
そんなこと書いてないだろｗ
バカの自己紹介してんのか？
158:名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。
14/05/04 18:37:28.88
自衛隊の教官に過失か
159:名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。
14/05/05 03:34:23.35
>>157
べつに上の英文を訳したわけじゃないからｗ
厳然とした裁判結果を書いただけです
160:名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。
14/05/07 17:32:27.42
1審（盛岡地裁）で証拠として採用されなかった検察側の言い分が、2審（仙台高裁）では
みんな証拠にされたんだよね。
161:名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。
14/05/07 20:46:26.90
この痛ましい事故でやっと海上で演習するようになって一安心したなぁ当時
162:名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。
14/05/08 11:25:43.25
普通に考えて、国を守る自衛隊が国民を死なせてどうするって話だよなぁ
163:名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。
14/05/09 02:21:20.23
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164:名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。
14/05/11 17:20:52.07 SZ207Wpx
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