19/07/22 09:52:53.51 EleABZ2I0.net
>>79 への回答の後半
さっきのリンク先では、英米のネイティブたちが「いろんな機械のことを
she とか her と呼ぶ男性もいる」と言っている。
同じように、自分の愛するオートバイのことを she とか her と呼ぶ男の
小説の一節を見つけた。この下の一節では、自分のオートバイに
Val (Valerie のことか？）という女性の名前をつけて、そのオートバイを she とか her と呼んでいる。
買って間もないのだが、中古車なのかどうか知らないがすでに汚れている。
さっそく走らせてみたいな、とか何とか書いている。
俺は車もオートバイもパソコンも何もかも嫌いなので、こういう機械を
she とか her と呼びたがるくらいに可愛がっている男を描いた小説や映画に
触れたことはないので詳しくは知らないが、そういう作品にいくらか親しめば、
こういう方法に慣れることができるだろうな、と思っている。
There was something appealing about the dirtiness of ●her●. Both tires were a little soft,
but however long ★she'd★ been hidden away, ◆her◆ tires hadn't gone flat. ... that the CME
event would have destroyed. I was so tempted to roll ●her● up the hill
and try coast starting ★her★, but like the first time you make love,
it has to be special for the girl. So I went to see Dwite.
出典
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.google.com)
+to+roll+her+up%22&gs_l=psy-ab.3..35i302i39.3002.3002..4092...0.0..0.325.450.0j1j0j1......0....2j1..gws-wiz.....0._28vR7f_aTU&ved=0ahUKEwjAzsrhpcfjAhU1zIsBHR8eAHcQ4dUDCAg&uact=5
/
82:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/22 11:35:41.51 UR7RJHIF0.net
質問です
5ch の英語版みたいなサイトってありますか？
必ずしもシステムは似ていなくてもよく、いろんなことについて書き込める雑談スレのようなものがあれば理想的です。
4chanを見たのですが、書き込みの質（集まっている人の質）が低く、他国の人間を罵り合っているばかりで自分には合いませんでした。
Twitterはフォローしないと他人とは離れすぎで、フォローすると他人と距離感が近すぎでした。
ここ（英語版）のChat in Englishスレは、システムとコンセプト的には理想的ですが、人が少ないことと、書き込みの大半が白人への僻みか性的話題で
しかも（英作文の練習の場として使っている人が多いためか）内容が短文もしくは一時的な浅いものしかなく、自分の目的には合いませんでした。
（英作文の練習がしたいのではなく、コミュニケーションできる場所を英語圏で探しています。
英作文の練習でなくコミュニケーションが目的になっている場所であればメンバーの大半あるいは全員が日本人であっても構いません。）
限定されたトピックについて深く読み書きするのではなく、
リアルタイムの話題（各自が思っていること）を書けて他人とゆるくコミュニケーションがとれる場所を探しています。
83:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/22 11:58:26.92 EleABZ2I0.net
>>82
世界中の人たちと英語でいろんな話題についてコミュニケーションできる
場所としては、俺としては Twitter が気に入っている。ただし、他人が何かを
言ってくれるのを待っているようなタイプの人は、永遠に話し相手なんてできないだろう。
誰も話しかけてくれなくても、ペーパーバックで言えば何十ページもに相当するほどの
量の書き込みをずっと続けていけるような人には、いずれ誰かが立ち寄ってくれて、
話しかけてくれる。自分のプロフィール欄には、自分が何に興味を持っているかについて
はっきりと書き、定期的に（できれば1日に何十本も）書き続けていれば、けっこう
いろんなことを知ることができる。
84:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/22 12:21:05.10 ov2rmIwca.net
>>82
reddit一択。
85:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/22 13:17:17.07 G+JJw0m60.net
>>82
redditはなぜダメ？
ツイッターは対人コミュ力が必要。redditは不要(2chで使うそれでよい)。
話題も超豊富。
86:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/22 13:39:11.60 65XxikwH0.net
What point is passing the test if you can’t actually speak?
I told them that if we focus on speaking, the kid will pass the test too, but they’ll have usable skills.
最後のbutの意味用法を解説してください
87:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/22 14:32:42.77 1IRO4Gfra.net
>>81
詳しくありがとうございます。勉強になりました。
88:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/22 19:25:36.73 UR7RJHIF0.net
81です。レスありがとう。
>>83
Twitterは、ユーザー同士の距離感が求めているものと異なるということと、
書くのを忘れましたが、自分が長文でたくさん書き込むので、文字数制限が厳しいので合いませんでした。
（比較的長文を1日に50～100個くらい書き込みます。）
用途に合うのならよさそうなプラットフォームですね。
>>84
>>85
Redditって、日常的なことを雑談できる場所ってありますか？（今日何食べてどう感じたとか、世の中の出来事について思ったこととか。）
何かの専門テーマについて書き込むのではなく、コミュニケーションのためのコミュニケーション（友達といろんなことについて会話するような感じ）
ができる場所があればと思っています。
（この板の雑談スレやChat in Englishスレのような場所。）
89:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/22 19:40:57.37 EleABZ2I0.net
>>88
僕自身も、長文を書きまくっています。Twitter では、確かに基本的に
文字制限がありますが、その小さな投稿を、調子のいいときには
一日あたり50本とかそれ以上、書いています。それぞれの投稿の最初に、
(1), (2), (3) というふうに番号を振っています。
90:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/22 19:45:16.40 EleABZ2I0.net
>>88
ユーザー同士の距離感については、どこも同じだと僕は思っています。
基本的に、顔を合わせたこともなく、顔を合わせたとしても
何年も毎日のように話をし続けてきた間柄でもない人を相手にするのだから、
どのサイトでも同じじゃないかと僕は思っています。
さらには、仮に親兄弟のように何十年も毎日のように朝から晩まで顔を突き合わせて
きた相手でさえ、果たして本当に自分にとって近い相手なのかどうかは、
究極的には疑問です。親兄弟も、地球の裏側の赤の他人も、最終的には
同じだというのが、僕の考えなのです。だから、Twitter での距離感が
気になるというのであれば、僕としてはもう死ぬしかないのです。どこへ行ったところで、
どうせまともな人間関係なんて得られるはずがないのです。
91:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/22 20:23:01.85 UR7RJHIF0.net
>>89>>90
レスありがとう。
Twitterで、使い方次第ではある程度目的のものが得られそうな気がしますし、自分が求めている理想以上の場所である可能性さえある気がします。
利用者（の人間性）も（4chanのように）悪い方に偏っているわけではないと思うので、その点も大きな魅力です。
一度試してみる価値は大いにありそうな気がします。
「ユーザー同士の距離感」という言い方はあまり適切ではなかった気もしますが、
プラットフォームの形によりコミュニケーションが受ける影響もあると感じていて、たとえばEメールとTwitterとblogと5chでは、
書きやすさ、書くときの態度、相手（読者）との距離感が異なると思っています。
Eメールは相手を直接指定して送りつけるので閉鎖的で直接的、blogは開放的で間接的で一方的。
Twitterは、replyやfollowが直接的すぎ、replyやfollowしないと間接的すぎて、自分が求めているちょうどよいバランスがないような気がしています。
（5chのような、目に入るけれどレスする必要はない、followやunfollowもない、という開放的で適度に間接的な空間が自分としては理想的です。
文字数に関しても5chは長文がデフォの自分にはありがたいです。）
Twitterは、試してみる価値有りと思いますので、他に候補なければ検討してみようと思います。
書いてくださってありがとうございます。
92:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/22 21:20:42.34 PD6lk27pa.net
Big Bang Theory字幕版見てやけにスピーシーズって聞こえる気がしますが
映画のスピーシーズのスピーシーズの事でしょうか？
アメリカではスピーシーズは必修なのでしょうか？オタク内だけ必修？
93:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 03:51:45.28 va6j9QEG0.net
He will be greatly missed
で、彼が男性の友人が亡くなって凄く寂しくなるのかと
思っていたら、その死んだ本人の事がHeでした(;'∀')
彼を失ったことは大変寂しい限りですとの訳でしたが、
これってどういう文法なんでしょうか？彼をだとHIM
だと思うのですが・・・。他の文章を探しても
亡くなった人が主語でしたは同じという文多くみられました。
94:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 05:23:01.73 fDpkGAuC0.net
missの受け身やん
辞書引けよ
95:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 06:14:00.47 zyqVQvdu0.net
>>92
たとえばこういう場面での species のことかな？
Sheldon: That woman in there’s not going to have sex with you.
Leonard: Well I’m not trying to have sex with her.
Sheldon: Oh, good. Then you won’t be disappointed.
Leonard: What makes you think she wouldn’t have sex with me, I’m a male and she’s a female?
Sheldon: Yes, but not of the same ●species●.
URLﾘﾝｸ(bigbangtrans.wordpress.com)
前後のそれぞれのセリフがほんの 80% でもわかっていれば、この場合の
species がどういう意味かわかるだろう。
96:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 06:29:05.90 zyqVQvdu0.net
>>92
もう一つの例。
Leonard: You know what I mean, could you just give us a little privacy?
Sheldon: You want me to leave the apartment?
Leonard: Yes.
Sheldon: You mean just go someplace else and be… someplace else?
Leonard: Yes.
Sheldon: Well, why should I leave, this is my apartment too.
Leonard: I know it is, and if science ever discovers a second member of your ★species★
and you two would like some privacy I would be more than happy to get out of your way.
URLﾘﾝｸ(bigbangtrans.wordpress.com)
97:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 06:32:59.21 zyqVQvdu0.net
>>92
さらに別の例として。
Penny (in hallway): Okay, you guys, look, I know this is none of my business, but I just,
I have to ask, what’s Sheldon’s deal?
Leonard: What do you mean “deal”?
Penny: You know, like what’s his deal? Is it girls? Guys? Sock puppets?
Leonard: Honestly, we’ve been operating under the assumption that he has no deal.
Penny: Come on, everybody has a deal.
Howard: Not Sheldon. Over the years, we’ve formulated many theories
about how he might reproduce. I’m an advocate of mytosis.
Penny: I’m sorry?
Howard: I believe one day Sheldon will eat an enormous amount of Thai food and split into two Sheldons.
Leonard: On the other hand, I think Sheldon might be the larval form of his ★species★,
and someday he’ll spin a cocoon and emerge two months later with moth wings and an exoskeleton.
URLﾘﾝｸ(bigbangtrans.wordpress.com)
98:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 06:41:54.72 zyqVQvdu0.net
>>92
次の一節では、species が二回も出てくる。
Howard: No, no, not this time. I know insects, my friend, I spent many childhood years capturing them with nets,
putting them in glass jars, sticking pins through them, mounting them on corrugated cardboard
with Dymo labels underneath, identifying the genus and ★species★. In Latin.
Raj: Oh, dude, you are never getting a shiksa goddess.
Sheldon: That is a snowy tree cricket. Oecanthus fultoni. I was done with Latin by fifth grade.
Howard: Okay, okay, tell you what. I am willing to bet anything that’s an ordinary field cricket.
Sheldon: I can’t take your money.
Howard: What’s the matter, you chicken?
Sheldon: I’ve always found that an inappropriate slur. Chickens are not, by nature, at all timid. In fact,
when I was young, my neighbour’s chicken got loose and chased me up the big elm tree in front of our house.
Raj: Chickens can’t climb trees
Sheldon: Thank God.
（続く）
99:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 06:42:09.31 zyqVQvdu0.net
>>92
続き
Howard: Okay, I believe a chicken made you his bitch. But the cricket thing, I don’t buy. Bet me.
Sheldon: Fair enough. What stake do you propose?
Howard: I will put up my Fantastic Four number 48, first appearance of Silver Surfer against your Flash 123,
the classic Flash of two worlds issue.
Sheldon: All right, you have a wager.
Howard: Hmm.
Raj: Great. Now how are you going to settle it, hmm? There is no way to determine the ★species★ of the cricket without examining it.
Slight time shift. The guys are searching for the cricket
URLﾘﾝｸ(bigbangtrans.wordpress.com)
100:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 09:09:16.34 rGCw/htq0.net
I'm 81.
I'm thinking of creating an account at Reddit and asking people there if they have any place to talk about any random topic.
Yesterday I came across this post.
Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart
URLﾘﾝｸ(gizmodo.com)
We have similar things here in 5ch and that's one of the reasons why I wanted to leave 5ch. I don't like to stay in an environment where I see lots of superficial propaganda like posts made sololy to attack or manipulate other people.
I prefer deep thoughtful well considered conversations.
Thank you for 82 san for sharing with me your place and your thoghts on the place.
It made me sad though to read the last sentence you wrote at >>90.
We long for feeling connected with people, but it might not be very easy to be able to have such a feeling. (Or possibly it's nearly impossible.)
But it's also true, I believe, that sometimes good things happen. I think it's worth trying to find a new environment if you are not satisfied with your current environment, and I'm going to give it a try.
101:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 09:35:23.63 h4o0BhuOa.net
丁寧にありがとうございます！
種という意味だったんですね。映画のエイリアンを示す造語と思い込んでました
>>96の
Leonard: I know it is, and if science ever discovers a second member of your ★species★
and you two would like some privacy I would be more than happy to get out of your way.
これは
科学が君の種族の二人目を見つけることがあって二人になりたい時は喜んで出てくよ
と言う事でしょうか
102:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 09:46:41.16 zyqVQvdu0.net
>>101
if science ever discovers a second member of your ★species★
and you two would like some privacy I would be more than happy to get out of your way.
直訳すると、確かにあなたの言う通りの意味だけど、少し意訳して自然な日本語にすると、
科学研究の結果として君と同じ種（しゅ）の生物が仮にあと一人見つかることがあったら、
僕は喜んで出ていって、君たち二人だけにしてあげるよ。
103:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 10:07:24.65 zyqVQvdu0.net
>>100
>>It made me sad though to read the last sentence you wrote at >>90.
>>We long for feeling connected with people,
>>sometimes good things happen. I think it's worth trying to find a new environment
Perhaps you're young, or at least young at heart. I'm 63 and long past the stage where
I used to believe in heat-warming relationships. I don't believe in humankind or
love or friendship any longer.
I said I'm past that stage. But then again, it could be that I never believed in people or
love or anything of the sort, even when I was an infant. My parents have always been
my worst enemies, although they have always been well-intentioned. They've always believed
that they loved me from the bottom of their hearts. But I say that they, and the rest of the world,
without a single exception, are simply doomed to the everlasting, diehard illusion that
people may somehow be connected, and that people are basically capable of love.
< To be continued >
104:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 10:07:44.19 zyqVQvdu0.net
>>100
(Continued)
But I say again that no one has ever actually witnessed a shread of real love in relationships.
All we've been seeing throughout the entire history that war, including wars between states and
wars between classes or between the sexes, has been going on incessantly
everywhere and that parents need children not because they love them altruistically but
because they need someone else to take it out on, to find meaning in their own empty lives.
In short, people have always been using each other and want to enjoy this grand illusion that
they actually do love others.
I've been blabbering and most probably you don't care for this monologue of mine. So go right ahead
and ignore all my talk, which must sound like nothing but a pack of mumbo jumbo. But to me,
this kind of talk is serious and real and downright honest. And this kind of talk is precisely I crave
everywhere, including on Twitter and YouTube. I'm part of a community on Twitter and YouTube
where there are lots of people who think like I do.
105:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 10:49:00.52 KbEVuh5Qa.net
コミュ障をこじらせると真の愛を語るようになるのか
106:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 11:41:06.17 rGKXBmGI0.net
ある番組で「コンヘル・マイセルフ！」とか言いながら服を脱ぐシーンがあったのですが、
該当する単語が何か分かるでしょうか？
「マイセルフ」は "myself" で確定ですが、「コンヘル」の部分が思い付きません
意味としては "show" のようなものだと思うのですが、"compel" や "confess"では
意味が通らないし、もしかすると最初の前提からして間違ってる可能性も…
107:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 11:44:26.13 Zb6IBppw0.net
81歳の人頑張るなあと思ったやん
108:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 12:14:18.43 UzBdJxC9a.net
漏れも一瞬おもた
109:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 12:17:03.14 rGCw/htq0.net
>>103,104
Thank you for your reply. It was interesting.
I'm not young, but I have been very sensitive since I was very little. Even though I consider myself as a logical type rather than an emotional type,
my feeling is considerably strong, and my interest and desire to seek love and a feeling of connected with people are also not weak.
I'm an introvert, and I don't need to feel connected with many people, but I want to find just one person in my life when it comes to wanting to have a feeling of being connected with people. That is enough for me.
I understand what you've said to some extent. We see the world and people through the lens of our brain.
We perceive things not as they are but through the interpretation of our brain.
In this sense, we see things subjectively, not only on your side but also on the side of the other person who you are talking to.
Both sides see it and feel it subjectively and you can't objectively prove that such thing as love surely exists.
I sometimes think that possibly the world itself might be an illusion created in our mind for us (or for me) to experience some things with our physical body.
But this assumption cannot be objectively proven either.
I'm so sensitive and spiritual when it comes to some things including metaphysical things that I even believe the existence of soulmates.
And also, I'm more inclined to believing in God (not as a symbol of something or somebody, but as a hidden will of the universe).
But again, there is no proof about them.
110:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 12:17:17.23 rGCw/htq0.net
I have gone a bit off topic. I think that not only loving (or being loved) each other but also understanding each other might be difficult.
You might feel that you understood someone, but it might just be that you are feeling that way. Understanding yourself is not very easy for many people.
I'm living with this assumption that it's difficult to understand each other. Often times I forget this assumption and ended up hurting my emotion.
If you seek for love, you feel lonely when you don't get it. If you give up love altogether, you must feel lonely, I guess, even though you might be able to avoid getting heartbroken by rejections or failures.
From your comment, it seemed to me that you might still have a desire for love or a feeling of being connected with people.
Otherwise you must have lost your interest on this theme already.
I guess I have been being too emotional. I didn't expect that I had a conversation like this here. It was fun. Thanks again.
111:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 12:19:27.11 fDpkGAuC0.net
うむ81歳が団塊に話しているのかと
112:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 13:58:13.51 zyqVQvdu0.net
>>110
Just as you suspect, I do tend to seek love and friendship. In fact, once in a while I encounter people who
see through my mind and sense a strong desire for love and connection. Yes, ever since I was born,
I believe I've always been a profoundly loving person. In fact, my love, compassion, and desire for connection
have always been excessively intense. That's why lots of people have been taking advantage of me and,
in the course of my life, some mal-intentioned people have abused me.
I long strongly for the extinction of humankind not because I really loathe people, but because I
actually love people so much that I just can't bear the thought of anyone suffering because of war,
racial, gender, or other discrimination, rape, and things like that.
By the way, all these comments that you've been making in this thread in English would be highly welcomed
on Twitter. I've always been writing these kinds of things there, and people from all over the world
seem to be welcoming me very warmly.
113:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 13:58:33.80 zyqVQvdu0.net
>>110
You don't have to read my tweets, but should you care to have a quick glance at what people around me
seem to be saying there, here's my Twitter account:
URLﾘﾝｸ(twitter.com)
Few people actually do talk to me these days, but I don't expect too much from them. They silently
follow, like, and retweet many of my comments. That's enough for me. And I reciprocate.
By the way, these days I find YouTube a much better way of communication. There on YouTube
I have an account under the same nickname as on Twitter. I upload tons of videos there.
There I speak in English most of the time, but I sometimes do talk in English as well.
When I speak there, I speak a lot, say, for half an hour to more than two hours per video.
I don't think many people want to actually talk or write a lot. Most of them are actually rather
quiet. Besides, when it comes to something academic, there are few people knowledgeable enough to
talk extensively on a certain subject. So I've stopped caring too much about it. I talk and talk profusely
and try not to give it too much of a damn about whether people respond or not. When two or three people
watch one or two of my very long videos and give me a comment either in English or Japanese, saying that
they've enjoyed my talk and have learned a lot, that's enough.
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114:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 14:27:31.80 zyqVQvdu0.net
>>110
By the way, if you're a Japanese native speaker and don't mind speaking English,
then I suggest you upload lots of videos on YouTube where you speak
both in English and in Japanese.
Most people, I believe, whether Japanese or foreign, just don't seem to like talking
or writing that much in either language. They don't seem to have that much
to talk about - not as much as you care to write or speak anyway.
If you can one day settle for just engaging in a sort of monologue, then
you might as well start considering uploading videos where you speak about just about any
topic, whether politics, literature, love, friendship, art, music, sports, or anything else
that happens to interest you.
115:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 14:29:29.72 OYD7hoDZa.net
>>102
ありがとうございます！
116:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 15:34:18.18 QqhR1oXSH.net
いつの間にやら、おっさんが愛を語り合うスレになってる
まあ良いけどね
117:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 17:31:40.46 rGCw/htq0.net
>>112-114
Thank you for your reply. As always I enjoyed reading your message, and now I
just want to write something before some of my thoughts might have disappeared
from my mind when I had a chance to reply to you some time later.
First off, thank you very much for sharing with me your Twitter and YouTube
accounts. I took a look at them and I watched a few videos. (Two videos to be
precise, but not till the end.) In one of the two videos you were talking in
English about yourself, and now I have a little knowledge about you. (I just
watched less than the first 10 minutes of the video, and started writing this
with the video stopped. I can't do two things at a time. I'm a single processor
person.)
Your message was very informative and potentially very helpful for me as to
what kind of path I should follow. Starting to live in an English community is
what I have been thinking of, and I also think YouTube has a big potential as
more and more people including myself are spending more time than before on
YouTube. I'm not young any more, and seeing that most popular YouTubers are
young, the fact that I'm old has been a discouraging factor for me. (I don't
intend to become very popular on YouTube, though.) Also, I haven't encountered
many Japanese people, especially who are older than me, are doing some
outputting activities with or in English. Seeing someone doing that kind of
thing on the internet is nice and has some significance to me.
118:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 17:32:10.24 rGCw/htq0.net
As for speaking in English, I prefer speaking in English to in Japanese. If I'm
to create my own videos on YouTube, I want to speak in English rather than in
Japanese.
You talked about your thoughts on love and friendship. You seek love while
longing for the extinction of humankind. It seems that it's a flip side of the
same coin and you are still interested in love.
Some people decide to give up having children because of their views of the
world. But in my opinion, you and your children are totally different people.
They might, and actually are, similar to each other physically, but mentally
they can be very different. I just respect the will and views of each
individual.
I just hope that the world stay as peaceful as it is now. (I don't think it's
very peaceful, but it's a lot better than in the past.) I also don't want to
see anybody unnecessarily suffer from anything.
I might watch your YouTube channel from time to time. Thank you for giving me
hints and suggestions for my future activities on the internet.
119:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 18:34:31.29 zyqVQvdu0.net
>>117 >>118
Wow, I'm really glad to hear you've actually bothered to come to my Twitter
and YouTube accounts and even started to view some of my videos.
As for my talk in Japanese there on YouTube, I stick most of the time
to giving my potential Japanese viewers some information about
songs, novels, and poems in English and trying to explain what each
interesting text means by giving translations of them in Japanese,
while telling them what each word means, how to memorize each such
seemingly difficult word, and all the points that are potentially
difficult for Japanese learners of English to understand. So, when
talking about such things, I tend to use Japanese.
When talking in English, I naturally try to address viewers from abroad.
There, I can't talk about English study. They don't need it because most of them
must know English better than I do. So I try to talk about international issues
(such as China's oppression of the Uyghurs, antinatalist issues and philosophy,
literature, and so on). Since I don't like small talk, I try not to talk about
everyday matters. But to talk about all those issues in English is really tough.
Even in Japanese, it's really hard. So, although I have tons of stuff that I wish
I could talk about in English, I tend to postpone such opportunities until later.
120:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 18:34:58.77 zyqVQvdu0.net
>>117 >>118
For the past seven months, on YouTube, I have been into translating, explaining, and analyzing
popular songs in English, such as those by Carpenters. I particularly love Carpenters,
so I've already made about 120 videos (each lasting 30 to 90 minutes) where I
explain and analyze each Carpenters song in Japanese. Such popular songs enjoy
so much ubiquitous presence that people tend to think that they're rather easy to
understand and explain to students of English, such as those from Japan.
But actually, songs are poetry and therefore very hard, far harder to fully understand
than novels are. So I've been having a very hard time, but I enjoy it and learn a great deal
from all that process.
Thanks again for taking your precious time to view my YouTube videos. I hope I'll get
to see some videos you'll be making yourself in the near future, if you ever care to make any.
After you make any such video, just drop me a line in either of my comment fields under
any video of mine, and I'll fly over like a bird to your YouTube station. Thanks.
121:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 18:35:11.83 zyqVQvdu0.net
>>117 >>118
By the way, as you say, most Japanese YouTubers are young and their videos are typically
very, very short, more like five to 15 minutes. And they never try to delve deeply into
any serious issue, like something political, linguistics, literature, philosophy or anything of the sort.
Even when they're trying to teach English, they produce nothing but very short videos where
they engage in nothing but how to quickly memorize enough vocabulary to get high scores
in TOEIC or other English proficiency tests, or how to pronounce seemingly difficult sounds in
English, or how to understand very basic grammar rules, which 15-year-old Japanese students of
English should have mastered while they were at school.
Very few, or even none, of such videos by Japanese YouTubers inspire me. So I never view more than
two minutes of any such video. As for older YouTubers, especially college professors and professional
writers, for example, they just don't seem to be interested to share any of what they know with
the rest of the public. Or are they just plain lazy or selfish, not motivated to work hard enough to
get through their potential messages to the public, I wonder?
122:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/23 21:46:10.78 rGCw/htq0.net
>>119-121
Yes, I will let you know when I made some videos on YouTube. But please don't
expect too much as it's not what I'm focusing on at the moment.
I'll try to make my reply as short as I can. We have been occupying here and as
someone said it has becoming a place where two ossans talk about love (and
stuff.)
As for why Japanese people don't talk much on YouTube, not only in English but
also in Japanese. It's an interesting topic. As for talking in English, my
guess is that maybe they are not confident enough to speak in English in
public. It seems to me that when it comes to learning foreign languages, except
for Korean and Chinese which are somewhat close to Japanese, we Japanese people
struggle more than people from other countries do. As for talking in Japanese,
maybe we are not used to talking about such topics, or I should rather say that
we are not good at having deep conversations. We Japanese, in general, try to
avoid talking about sensitive topics in order to avoid having conflicts. In my
opinion, I suspect it has something to do with the Japanese language (and the
culture behind it,) but I won't go deep into it. As for me, it feels more
natural and comfortable to express myself in English than in Japanese even
though my Japanese is way better than my English. I initially wrote my question
at >>82,88,91 in Japanese. I felt very uncomfortable for some reason writing
them and I switched to writing in English. Maybe this is just my thing.
If there is a factor that is hindering Japanese people from making certain
kinds of videos, it also can be a chance to those who can overcome it, I think.
123:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/24 00:42:12.89 4aLj8LHG0.net
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.youtube.com)
↑の 0:05-0:10 の間のBoris Johnsonさんの英語がはっきりと聞き取れません
loving see u といつ飛行機で来たのって言っているのはわかるのですが、
正確な英語を教えてください
124:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/24 01:04:33.08 xgjFgVxh0.net
I'm 81. と書いてあったら無条件に81歳と理解してしまうのかい。
ここのレス番>>82 と解釈するのが普通だろうに。
125:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/24 02:44:35.35 MiWAQ3fC0.net
英会話を始めて5ヶ月目です。
単語が聞き分けられるようになり、
英文もすらすらと音読できるようになりました。
しかし、音読すると意味が理解できず、
文字を辿ると理解できる。
しばしばこんな状況に陥ります。
抜け出すにはどんな訓練・意識が必要でしょうか？
126:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/24 06:32:13.34 emIut4oG0.net
>>122
Don't feel pressured to make videos just to indulge me. If I suggested
you make some, it's just that you write great English, delving into every topic,
all of which is very unusual for a native Japanese speaker. You're a rare asset.
So I thought you'd be a great YouTuber. That's all.
Give yourself time and if you come to feel like talking on youTube one or two years later, do so.
But if you don't, then that will be okay for me. I myself had given a tremendous
amount of time before I finally started to speak on YouTube, even in Japanese,
much less in English.
As for writing in either language, I feel rather comfortable, far more comfortable
than when speaking. Just like you do, I feel comfortable when delving into some deep issues when
writing in English, not in my own mother tongue, even though I've never been
in an Anglophone country or had long-lasting friendship with any foreigner before.
As for friends, I've never had many Japanese friends either. When younger, even I
enjoyed some stages where I thought, or rather, had the illusion, that I did have
some, or even many, friends. But not any more. It was all an illusion.
127:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/24 06:32:26.85 emIut4oG0.net
>>122
And I strongly suspect that the same applies to everybody else in general. But
as for people belonging in the majority (or the big portion of the bell curve),
who are rather "normal," not like me or you, they should find it far less
hard to find (or have the illusion that they find) so-called friends. Why?
Because they're a huge bunch of people who are more or less alike.
Birds of a feather flock together. That's all. But that's doesn't mean they do
enjoy real friendship.
But I am a rarity in every sense, so I guess it's only natural that I find it
extremely hard to feel comfortable in the company of anybody else.
By the way, just as you say, I think it'd be better for us to stop talking
here. If you care to keep talking to me, you can always do so on Twitter or YouTube.
If you opened up an account on Twitter and/or YouYube, that would be
great. Thanks. And don't feel obligated to reply to me here. Just like you did,
I wanted to make this reply of mine very short, but I kept on blabbering
just like always. Sorry.
128:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/24 09:28:17.86 qHVdCRv+x.net
>>125
今より簡単な文章を教材にする
129:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/24 12:04:34.99 UaqXcYqs0.net
>>124
数字マジックなところはあるし
日本人やしなあ
130:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/24 20:29:22.25 gLzDaVuxa.net
>>128
ありがとうございます！
たしかに少し背伸びし過ぎていたかもしれません
131:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/25 15:36:40.38 m+wVys7d0.net
Chat in Englishスレでも前に聞いたんですけど字幕ない映画やドラマ観るのってどこが良いでしょうか？
字幕も絶妙な訳とか感動する事もありますがやはり字幕に頼って話を聞き逃すことが多いのです
132:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/25 16:43:30.48 Uht9HuLn0.net
>>131
日本語字幕や英語字幕がついていても、それを絶対に読まない癖をつければいいのだ。
俺が映画やドラマを見て勉強していた時代は昔のことだから、すべて字幕が最初から
ついてしまっていた。だからそれを見ない訓練をしてから、思いっきり映画などを見た。
どうしても見てしまうというのなら、字幕の部分に紙を貼ればいいだけだ。
133:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/25 16:53:40.11 M5afubpMH.net
>>131
Netflix?
134:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/25 16:57:22.19 m+wVys7d0.net
なるほど、気合いでどうにかするわけですね
>>133
Netflixは字幕無効できるんですか？
135:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/25 21:11:49.22 vynv52D90.net
>>126-127
Each of us add something to our conversation and it makes us want to add more.
Our conversation seems to continue forever. But maybe not. We have been talking
on various topics already, although we have just touched the surface of each
topic. I have been enjoying this open-ended style of conversation.
The other day I came across someone mentioning that We Japanese people process
both vowels and consonants with our left brain whereas non-native Japanese
speakers process only consonants with their left brain and they process vowels
with their right brain. I did some research on it and came across this article.
URLﾘﾝｸ(web1.kcn.jp)
I'm not trying to bring up this new theme. Rather, what I want to say is that I
was impressed by his command of language. For some reason, some people who are
older than me acquire a very good command of language through their life
experiences. (Maybe from reading?) I receive a similar impression when I read
your messages. Your messages are concise, precise, honest with yourself, and
not forceful.
(By the way, I don't know about the legitimacy of what's written in the article
above. You don't need to read it, it's just an example.)
136:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/25 21:12:52.10 vynv52D90.net
About friends. We talked about love and friendship the other day. I was kind of
for the idea (or existence) of it. But I admit that it seems to me that many
people, possibly most people including myself, are struggling with having true
friendships. Most people, to my eyes, are not even capable of telling if they
are having a deep connection with other people. Maybe I'm not an exception. In
this sense, possibly you are right, maybe there are no such things as true
friends. Or, maybe it just depends on our attitude or determination whether we
want to believe something, like when we do to (or not to) believe in God. We
came to this world alone, and we leave this world alone. It might feel sad, but
it's the truth.
137:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/25 21:13:21.11 vynv52D90.net
You mentioned about rarity of yourself and being normal. I'm aware that I'm
very different from other people, to the extent that it doesn't feel natural
for me to use the Japanese language. We talked about the fact that we Japanese
don't talk much, didn't we? I have this illusion that maybe in the English
community I can find more (or some) people who I can feel connected than in the
Japanese community. It's not that I don't like Japan or Japanese people. I like
them. But when it comes to feeling connected with people, I find it hard to
find someone among Japanese people who I want to talk to. Someone was asking a
question in this thread the other day about the word "species" and you (?) were
answering to it. Maybe I have been feeling as if I were of a different species.
I think a lot, and at times I feel a bit lonely. But fortunately for me, I
haven't felt very lonely for the past 2 years or so because I had some people
to talk to. (I don't know if I should have used the word "friend" here, because
the border between a friend and other people is unclear to me, and we talked
about friendship somewhat deeply, and I just wanted to be a bit precise here.)
I have been going nowhere. I just received a work related message now from
somebody and was pulled back to reality.
I haven't decided yet whether to create an account on either of the platforms
you suggested. Maybe it'll take some more time, so I decided to reply to you
here.
Maybe we could keep talking like this. (But I believe we should slow our pace
down.) I indulged myself in writing a long message once again. I feel that I
have talked kind of enough already, and if you feel the same way you don't need
to give me a long reply. Just a short one or even no reply is fine. (Sorry for
the long reply. I indulged too much without realizing.)
138:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/26 07:39:17.26 jR2KFpxQ0FOX.net
>>135 >>136 >>137
Thanks for your further response. I appreciate it.
Seeing what a good command of English you have
and how well you express yourself on just about
any topic, I can't help wondering why in the world
you haven't yet even bothered to open up your
own accounts on YouTube or Twitter or to
answer questions raised in forums like this one.
As for me, since I basically didn't think I could ever
relate seriously to anyone, whether Japanese or foreign,
I had settled a long time ago for just exploring
some issues, especially language and literature, all on my own
and just answering questions from Japanese learners of English
in such forums as this one. I do talk a lot on YouTube but
most of the time I simply upload videos where I pick up
songs, novels, and other materials written in English and
explain how each sentence works grammatically and what
it means and how beautiful it sounds to me from the viewpoint of
the beauty of language, together with linguistic issues and etymology.
Most of the time, no one responds. Some 150 people have subscribed
to my channel but very few of them respond. Most of those subscribers
are completely anonymous too. That is, out of these subscribers, most
remain completely unidentifiable. I don't know what kind of people they are.
As for small talk, life issues, and things like that, I don't expect
any longer to relate to anyone. As I said before, I don't think there will
ever come a day when I can finally relate to anyone, whether Japanese or
foreign.
139:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/26 07:52:58.75 jR2KFpxQ0FOX.net
>>135-137
Everyone was born with a particular set of genes and in a particular
pattern of environments that have programmed them to think, feel,
and behave the way they do. I'm the same way.
People who have not been in the same shoes as mine can't ever get to
know how I feel and what I think. In the same way, I can't identify with them.
Let me pick up a rather extreme example. Can I, for example, get to
understand a centipede or earthworm? I may be able to examine and
observe how they feel or behave through microscopes and scientific
experiments. But I don't think I will ever truly emphathize with them.
In the same way, centipedes and earthworms won't ever get to
understand or identify with me, either. But those centipedes probably do
understand and empathize with each other.
The same is true of me and other people. I can't ever identify with them.
Nor can they. If most people in the world seem as if to enjoy
the company of others, seeming to identify with them, seeming to
share some ideas and feelings among themselves, that is precisely
because they happen to have been born with more or less similar genes, under similar
environments. As for me, I'm diametrically, extremely, horribly different from any of them.
So it's better to give up expecting any of them to relate to me.
Besides, it can even be cruel to expect those other people to try to understand
and relate to me.
If I do find anyone or any group of people who can share some ideas and
feelings with me, identifying with me, enjoying the company of me, then
they must be either antinatalists (those who believe that the human race
should gradually go extinct) or people with extremely strong desires for
art and knowledge.
140:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/26 08:09:17.27 jR2KFpxQ0FOX.net
>>135-137
But then again, if I had met anyone early in my life who can
feel relaxed with me and whose company I can enjoy without
pretending to be just like them, I might have enjoyed my life
and might have not become an antinatalist or pessimist.
I could have enjoyed my life fully and become someone
influential and contributing positively to the rest of society.
But I've never ever met anyone that way. Everyone in my family
was diametrically different from me, especially my parents.
No one in my neighborhood, school, or anywhere else in the world,
including abroad, seemed to share even the tiniest shread of
idea or feeling with me. No one understood, identified with, or
agreed with me in any way.
As I grew up in such an environment, I think I've always been
acting. As a child I was a good actor, constantly pretending to be
downright cheerful, ready to please everyone around me,
never antagonizing them, always living up to the expectations of
my parents, teachers, and other adults.
Everyone, at least those who don't know me enough, thought
- and still thinks - that I am a happy guy. Even when I do my best
to make them understand how I truly feel or what I really think,
it's all in vain. They never understand. The more I try, the less
they understand. After 63 long years of my desperate effort to
make my parents understand at least one tenth of me, I realize
that all this has been futile.
141:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/26 08:09:30.80 jR2KFpxQ0FOX.net
>>135-137
Although they mean well and they are never such bad parents,
they are still someone just like most other people. That is, they are
normal. They belong to the majority. They never get to understand
or attempt to delve into the psychology of how, for example, schizophrenics,
anorexics, antinatalists, terrorists, homosexuals, or criminals may
have come to feel, think, and behave the way they do.
If those other people can't ever get to understand such seemingly
abnormal people, then they won't ever be able to understand me, either.
If so, how can I ever feel even a little bit comfortable in their company?
Never. All I can do is to keep pretending that everything is all right,
which those other people (who form the majority of society) expect me to do.
142:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/26 10:42:04.24 jR2KFpxQ0FOX.net
ドラマや映画を字幕なしで見るサイトはどこにあるかという質問についてだけど、
古いテレビドラマとか映画でよいのなら、たとえば Journey to the Unknown とか
いうドラマシリーズを YouTube 上で探し出せば、
無料でいくらでも見られる。こういうのを片っ端から
見ていけばいいのじゃないかな？
新しいドラマや映画で、しかも無料または低料金で字幕なしのものを見たいなんて
いうのは、贅沢というものだろう。お金を払いさえすれば、いくらでも
DVD などが買えて、ボタンを押せば字幕を消すことができるのだから。
第一、新しい DVD が出たとしても、最初のうちは値段が張るけど、
5年も経てばものすごく安くなることが多いだろう？
たとえば Downton Abbey のテレビシリーズの最終回に至るまで、
全編で確か 23 枚くらいだったと思うが、俺はそれをイギリスから
2年ほど前に取り寄せて、それをすべて見た。もちろん日本語字幕なんて
最初からついていない。英語字幕をつけたければつけることもできるようになっている。
この23枚のセットは、中古品で確か 8,000 円くらいで買ったような気がする。
23枚もの CD を全部で 8,000 なんだから、安いのではないかな？
もしもこれでも高いと思うのなら、それを100回くらい見れば元が取れる。
要は、たとえお金がかかったとしても、いつか英語で飯を食うようになって
お金を稼げば、それで元が取れると思えば、安いともいえるかもしれない。
英語では永遠に飯を食う気がない人ならば、それはただの趣味ということになり、
趣味なんかに時間をかけられる身分であるような人のことが、俺としては羨ましい。
俺は趣味を楽しむ時間も余裕もない人生を送ってきたからな。
143:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/26 13:49:49.75 PTe3MeZza.net
英語でメシを食うって可能なの？
英日できる人なんてありふれてそう
144:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/26 13:55:03.90 5v+nZiO70.net
>>138-141
I'm writing this on my tablet. I just want to say something before it slips my
mind. It won't be a long constructed response, but I think it's fine, or it
could be even better, because the thought of having to give a full, well
constructed response may make you feel kind of obligated. (I might write more
later. I might not.)
I was thinking while I was writing my previous reply that if there is any way
for us, us people in general, to feel less separated from and more connected
with other people. When I was writing my previous reply, I felt as if I was
making myself feel more separated than connected. The more I tried to explain
about myself, the more I felt that way. Maybe it was because I was trying to
focus on it logically, not emotionally. (Maybe we should try to give more
control to our emotion than to our logic when it comes to this kind of things,
because emotion must play a big role in human relationships. I'm more of a
logical person than emotional, and it's not always easy for me to do so,
though.)
And one thing that occurred to me while reading your reply was that one
potentially big difference in us, even though I find myself quite similar to
you in the way I see myself or people or things around me, might be that I
noticed I'm not focusing on trying to find similar or like minded people to me.
(I don't know if you were doing it or not, though.) Instead, as friends I have
been always trying to find people having moderately different personality than
I do. I don't think, feel or act the way they do, but I like to see they think,
feel or act in the way they do, and I like being around them and talking with
them. It makes our relationship more dynamic and I get more stimulated and
energized. In other words, I noticed that I haven't been focusing on myself
that much.
145:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/26 13:55:35.61 5v+nZiO70.net
>>138-141
I'm interested in psychology and I'm guessing you as a person with a certain
kind of personality type. (Everybody has his own type.) I'm guessing your type
is different from mine. (I'm not trying to make you feel excluded.) If my guess
is correct, people with the best compatible personality type to your type are
very rare, and it could be a reason why you think or feel the way you do. (I'm
not trying to say it's bad, nor am I trying to change you or how you think.)
I didn't intend to come this far when I first asked a question here. I don't
know whether you will enjoy this, a bit non scientific concept or theory, but
maybe you can take a look at this and see if it describes you or not.
URLﾘﾝｸ(personalityjunkie.com)
(I'm glad if you let me know if you can identify yourself as this type or not.
I'm sorry if you don't like this.)
It's got long. I'll end here.
146:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/26 14:35:16.27 jR2KFpxQ0.net
>>143
英日なんて、誰が言った？
147:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/26 14:59:39.57 PTe3MeZza.net
え英語できるって英日じゃなくて英語だけできるって事ですか
148:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/26 15:01:56.06 jR2KFpxQ0.net
>>144-145
I read a little of what's written at the link. If what it describes is
the philosophical introvert who tends to delve into their own mind,
then I think I belong to the category and most people describe me
that way.
By the way, you're saying you don't particularly seek to find something
in common with people and that you rather like to find differences
between you and them. I understand that.
But when I was saying that there is a wide gap, or even a gaping gulf,
between me and the others can't ever be something you can enjoy.
It's maddening. The difference is such that people around me,
even my own father, even after these 63 years of mutual desperate
efforts to understand each other, declares me almost insane.
Well, he's not such a terrible person, so he doesn't call me insane
in so many words.
But whenever I tell him how I really feel or think about
any issue in life, like how I feel about homeless people, he says to me,
as if to give a good piece of advice, "You know, my son, I don't think
it's a good idea to tell any such thing to any member of the general public,
like to your friends or acquaintances."
I ask him why. He then moves on to say things like, "Because they'll surely
think of you as insane ("kichigai" in Japanese, which is a very harsh,
discriminating, derogatory word). Then I ask him, "Then would you also
want to call me insane when talking that way about the homeless?"
Then he says, "Yeah, I would regard you as nothing but insane."
149:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/26 15:02:34.67 jR2KFpxQ0.net
>>144-145
All my life, conversations between me and my parents or anybody else
in society, like so-called friends and colleagues, have been that way.
Whenever I tell them even the tiniest shread of how I feel or what I think,
they almost call me insane, or tell me I must be just joking, or they may
even get mad and stop me from talking any further.
That's precisely why I've never shared my true feelings or ideas for more than
one minute with anybody else. Do you understand what I'm saying?
Put yourself in my shoes. There just CANNOT be any joy or pleasure or anything
at all between me and the others, unless I pretend that everything is all right and
I don't have anything different from them. They just expect me to feel almost the same
way. If you really enjoy the differences between you and the others, those differences are
tiny, whereas the differences between me and the others are like a huge, terrifying gulf
that makes you and everyone else go insane or something. Absolutely no one in the whole
world has ever understood me or enjoyed talking with me unless I pretend to engage in
small talk which makes them happy. To me, all the others seem like a bunch of kindergarteners.
They are actually not alive, if I may say so. They have never given any issue in society or life
a really serious, honest thought. That's why I don't want to talk to anybody any more.
I wish I were dead already. But I also know that I'm supposed to quietly put up with all this
and live on until I reach an age where I can die a natural death. Until that time, I'll
keep my mouth shut and pretend to "enjoy" my life just like the rest of society,
who are just like swines to me. This world is nothing but a pigsty.
150:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/26 15:03:33.48 jR2KFpxQ0.net
>>147
英語で翻訳をやるというのなら、英日じゃなくて和英に決まってるだろ？
英日をやる人間は、腐るほどいるんだから。
151:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/26 15:09:46.17 PTe3MeZza.net
ほう
和英と英和と英日日英の違いがまるでわからん
152:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/26 19:17:04.94 5v+nZiO70.net
>>148-149
I think I can understand what you're saying. But maybe one never should say
lightly that one can understand other people. Each of us has different
backgrounds and different ways of perceiving things.
What if, Socrates and Nietzsche did exist today. How would they feel? If you
think the way you feel you are different from other people is of a different
type from how they would feel. If that is the case, I don't think I can say
that I can understand what you are saying. But if you can think that they would
feel in a similar way as you do, I would say you are not alone and at least
some of us human beings are or were like you. (I'm not trying to suggest you
compare your achievements and theirs. I just want you to focus on their
attitudes toward the world.)
When I say I seek someone whose personality is moderately different, I don't
mean I'm seeking ordinary people. I'm aware how different I am from other
people, and I also know from my past experiences and observations that similar
people to me do exist, although they are rare and hard to find.
153:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/26 19:17:20.85 5v+nZiO70.net
>>148-149
You talked about your struggle and the amount of effort you put into your
relationship with your parents. I'm from a very similar environment, and I
discovered long time ago that it's almost impossible for me to expect that my
parents can understand me, and I stopped even trying to talk about anything
except the type of superficial conversations I need to have with them daily.
It's bothersome, to be honest, for me to having to listen to small talks of
other people, and I know that they get annoyed if I talk about abstract things
like ideas or concepts.
I said the other day that you and your children may similar to each other
physically, but they can be totally different mentally. I said that with this
in mind. I'm very different, mentally, from my parents. But still I like them,
and I don't even care if they can understand me or not, or they are capable of
having deep conversations or not.
I expect just very basic things from them. No big expectations any more and no
big disappointments any more, I guess. (To be honest, I still get disappointed
daily, though. But it's not their fault, and I think I should try to find other
people instead.)
154:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/26 19:17:38.49 5v+nZiO70.net
>>148-149
I shared with you the link and the theory. I just wanted you to feel, someday
in the near future, how joyful it is to find people you like, people you want
to talk to and people who make you like what you are as you are including the
differences you feel from other people. They appreciate you as what you are,
and you appreciate them as what they are. I'm no superior than you in any
sense, and I'm less experienced in life. You must have more experiences in
life. Please forgive my rude attitude.
Getting familiar with the theory helped me a lot and liberated me a lot. Thanks
to the theory, I could accept the differences between me and my parents as a
natural thing, and I became less bothered by my awareness that I'm different
from other people. Because I know that I'm not alone. It takes some time for
you to get familiar with the theory, and getting familiar with the theory has
some downsides in my opinion. So I'm not going to recommend it to you any
further at least for now.
I just want to suggest to you that you should try to be honest with yourself as
much as you can. It seems you're doing so. Trying to pretend to be someone else
is not a healthy thing. It's more terrible to lose your honesty with yourself
than to feel alone, I think.
155:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/26 19:50:31.98 jR2KFpxQ0.net
>>152-154
Thanks. And I apologize for having been a bit overly nervous and
emotional. When it comes to communication with people, especially
with my parents, I overreact. It's not you. You were not being
rude at all. It's me.
If I could get to be totally objective, I would realize that I'm not
as different from others as I think I am. It may be just that
I tend to feel the difference that there is between me and others.
I feel it so keenly and I feel the lack of communication between people
so strongly that I tend to feel as if all attempts at communication or
any other effort with human interaction are eternally futile.
So, as you say, maybe I should stop behaving like someone else.
But then again, I don't think people would forgive me if I behaved
as I really am. I have never behaved honestly to myself when in
the company of others. You know my true reaction to people?
When I see people, I would like to say things like,
156:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/26 19:53:17.26 jR2KFpxQ0.net
>>152-154
"Drop dead already! Stop procreating, which is the eighth cardinal sin.
Can't you understand already that at least one of your future descendants
would hate life as I do? Can't you understand that it's a terrible crime to
make anyone feel the way I've been feeling my whole life?"
My greatest dream is, if it is ever possible, to explode the entire planet
in a split second so that all the living things would perish instantaneously.
After that, there would be no sufferings. No more of these futile attempts to
pursue peace, communication, love, friendship, or whatever.
Humans have made only two mistakes. They were born. And they have produced offspring.
These are the only mistakes they have ever made. They have made no other blunders.
These are my totally honest feelings and ideas. Do you think I can freely express them
to other people? No, never. No one has been patient enough to listen to even 30 seconds of
what I truly feel or think. And that's precisely why I've been pretending to be someone else.
I've always been a clown, always lying by making the others think that I somehow enjoy life
and accept the others as they are.
By the way, you don't have to keep talking to me. You can always call it quits. As long as
you keep writing to me, I'll be going on responding. But the moment you stop, I'll have no
recourse other than to stop too. Don't worry. I won't ever hold any grudges against you.
On the contrary, I've enjoyed talking to you and I'll keep appreciating that you've bothered
to talk to me so far. I don't think that there is anyone who can put up with anyone like me.
157:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/26 22:20:02.21 5v+nZiO70.net
>>155-156
When I say being honest with yourself, I mean try not to deceive yourself by
trying to forcefully believe something you wouldn't believe otherwise. This
mental attitude doesn't necessarily come with actions or behaviors toward
others. Rather, I agree that often times it's a lot safer to behave as if you
were one of other people. But at least you should try to keep being honest with
yourself internally. That's what I meant, and I think you are doing so, at
least to the extent that you didn't pretend as if you were satisfied with your
life or with the world when you talk to me. I think it's a good practice to
keep.
When looked on the physical level, I don't quite understand why the world and
people are like the way they are. To me, it's hard to understand their
immaturity. We had some, or lots of, great people in the past, and I think in
the present as well, but I wonder why on earth the world, especially the
people, are like the way they are. I'm no mature than anybody else, so I have
no right to criticize them sharply without first changing myself, but this is
my honest response to the world and people.
158:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/26 22:20:40.71 5v+nZiO70.net
>>155-156
But still, I think I have hope in people, or the world. I guess it's because at
some point in my life I thought deeply and became spiritual if not religious.
On the physical level, I don't see any point in the existence of the world. But
if you look at it from a whole different level, like from spiritual or
religious viewpoint, you may see it differently. I know I'm ignorant, and I'm
aware of the limitations of my mental capabilities. To me, it's surprising,
either, to know the world has some meaning, or to know the world doesn't have
any meaning. It's like about the beginning of the universe. If there was
nothing there before, it's surprising and hard to understand. If there was the
world there from the beginning, it's also surprising and hard to understand. My
power and my capability of understanding things are very limited.
One of the reasons why I'm inclined to the way I see the world the way I see it
is that we have beautiful things as well. Sometimes I see good things in
people's hearts. Seen physically, it might not mean anything, but I can't deny
the fact that I can see some value in it. I just want to be honest with myself
and being open, throughout my life, to any idea regardless of how strange it
might sound.
(Talking about this, I remembered "Faust" by Goethe, even though I haven't read
it till the end.)
There is no proof about things like this, and I'm not trying to impose my views
onto you. You opened your thoughts to me, so I'm doing the same thing to you.
(It could be just because my life has been happy enough so far. If I was born a
bit earlier and experienced the world war, my views of the world might have
been different. I struggled a lot when I was young, and I don't think my life
so far has been very happy, though.)
159:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/26 22:21:04.38 5v+nZiO70.net
>>155-156
One thing I found it interesting was that you care about the future of other
people and I don't care about it as much even though we have similar awareness
about the differences between you and people. I'm aware that I'm different from
other people to the extent that I don't even think I can understand other
people, or I can be easily understood by other people. Other people might have
totally different views of the world from mine. Possibly they enjoy their
lives, at least at times. Maybe some people see some values in their lives. I
just want to respect their views. (I won't say I'm more aware of the
differences between me and other people than you are. It's just that it was
interesting to me.)
Honestly speaking, I was a bit sad to know the fact that you suffer from your
awareness, or the fact, of the difference between you and other people, to the
extent where you feel you have always been a clown and you feel you are always
lying.
If you enjoy talking with me, I believe you can find some people who you want
to talk with. Again, I don't think they necessarily need to be similar to you.
Instead, I want to suggest that you should try to find moderately different
people from you. (I guess you are a logical person rather than emotional, so I
think you potentially enjoy interacting with people with feeling type. I won't
go deeper here, though.)
I do enjoy talking with you. Let's just go with the flow. You don't need to
force anything, I think. If you feel like writing about anything, you can write
here. You don't need to hurry to reply to my comment. I'll do the same thing.
160:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/26 22:35:45.74 5v+nZiO70.net
Correction.
This mental attitude doesn't necessarily *need to* come with actions or
behaviors toward others.
161:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/27 06:49:57.08 QTjg6JJ/0.net
>>157-160
Wow, how beautifully you express your thoughts! Right from the very beginning
of our interaction, I've known you're a great writer -- at least in English.
If you happen to know some other languages, you'll get to express yourself
in all those languages as well. These three posts I've received this morning
are written especially beautifully. How have you managed to acquire
such a highly logical and articulate way of communication, I wonder?
(You don't have to answer that. I'm just talking to myself.)
You've learned all that from intensive reading and thinking, and perhaps
you've somehow inherited much of your high intellect from your ancestors.
By the way, sometimes I exaggerate myself and say thing a bit illogical maybe.
As you say, I don't feel like a total clown now, not any longer anyway. I used to be
a clown when younger. But at least on the inside, I was always aware of the darker
side of my mentality, I guess. When younger, I was confused. On the outside, I
always behaved cheerfully. When I was 12 or so, my father told me, "You're totally
cheerful." I remember wondering how anyone can call me cheerful while I don't
feel happy at all. But then again, it really was a fact that I was constantly
talking and behaving as if cheerfully when in the company of others.
162:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/27 06:50:35.79 QTjg6JJ/0.net
>>157-160
By the age of 12 or so, I hadn't yet formed the habit of keeping my diary or
writing something to express my ideas or feeling. It was when I was 15 or so
that I finally began to write things -- not as assignments that I should submit to
my teachers or anything but for myself. By the age of 17, and especially by the age of
22 or so, I found that whenever I was writing something for myself, I was writing
the most depressing ideas and feelings, like "at the bottom of my despair" or
"The world should go extinct" or something of the sort. I remember always wondering
why on earth I was writing things like that because I also knew that I was
being cheerful whenever I was with others.
I think that when younger, I basically believed that life was about living it as though
you believed it's worth living even though you actually know it's completely meaningless
and laughable, so much so that the ideal is for the world to vanish instantaneously on the spot.
My ideal has, ever since I was 22 or so, been for the world to disappear. If possible, it would be
better for even animals and plants to disappear instantaneously. But as a human I can't get to
know what the ideal would be for those non-humans. But as a human again, I think I know
what our ideal is. Most people argue that it's wrong and even arrogant to assume that everyone
wants to perish just because you yourself wish you had never been born. I know that.
163:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/27 06:50:58.56 QTjg6JJ/0.net
>>157-160
But I also know that all humans, including myself, are just genetically programmed to
feel as if it is better to go on living than to perish immediately. I myself enjoy some days when
I don't feel that bad. There are even some days when life seems as if meaningful in a mysterious
way. But I also know that all these hopes and optimistic feelings and ideas are the root of all evils.
We should, I believe, try to abandon these hopes and begin considering gradually perishing from the earth.
As for me myself, I'm already 63 and I know that at this rate I'll manage to live on with relatively healthy
insensitiveness, idiocy, and pettiness until my natural death.
But I'm concerned about our descendants.
Those other people, still in their childhood or in their teens, or in their mothers' wombs, and those
who have not yet been conceived, should be exempted from the excruciating pains and madness that
we have been undergoing. I don't know about others, but at least I myself know that if God or the Devil
or whoever up there or down there asked me if I wanted to be reincarnated and live another life
in exactly the same way I've lived so far, I would surely decline. And I wish that people would stop
procreating now and start to go extinct little by little. I mean, no one has to explode hydrogen bombs or
kill each other or commit suicide. All we have to do is to stop procreating and learn to live by themselves.
They can always have sex and try to live happy lives, but without producing any more offspring.
Then, 100 years from now at the latest, we will go extinct. And then there will be no more sufferings.
164:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/27 06:59:06.55 QTjg6JJ/0.net
>>157-160
No more Yemenis constantly bombed by Saudis. No more Iraqis massacred by the USA or other superpower.
No more Biafrans murdered by other Nigerians. No more Vietnam Wars. No more Agent Orange.
No more children with disabilities. No more bipolar personality disorders or anorexia or
pessimism or depression or schizophrenia or whatever. There will only be this quintessentially
angelic world of quietude. And that's precisely what all religious people and other wisest people
have always been wishing for.
But then again, I know for sure that this antinatalist idea would never ever be the thinking of
a majority. Humans are just programmed to be otherwise. Humans have survived so far
precisely because they tend to believe that, all things considered, the amount of comfort
surpasses that of discomfort. And they live on. They produce offspring. When one out of
every 1,000 descendants turns out to be an anorexic, terrorist, suicide, self-mutilator,
schizophrenic, serial killer, or a person with severe disabilities, the parents will explain
away their anguish by saying, "Well, we tried anyway. Life is not always bad."
And then life goes on. And then war, massacre, and Agent Orange, and Hiroshimas and
Nagasakis and Vietnam Wars and Korean Wars and KKK lynching and the oppression of
Uyghurs and Tibetans and Biafrans go on and on. And people go on forgetting.
I know all that. So I am totally aware that it is completely useless to advocate any
antinatalist philosophy here.
165:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/27 15:19:44.27 ue1fhqCDH.net
流石に雑談長すぎじゃね
別のスレを建てるなり、雑談スレに移動するなりすればいいのに
166:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/27 17:55:07.07 K5OKe7Oj0.net
>>165
I'm sorry. I've created a new thread.
Yet another chat thread for non-practice purpose
ｽﾚﾘﾝｸ(english板)
Anyone is welcome as long as you follow the rule (intension) of the thread.
>>161-164
I wrote my reply in the new thread.
167:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/27 20:18:14.53 boN+iwCV0.net
I can't read four column or larger
168:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/28 15:43:47.64 U6pmENj+0.net
「I want you to study English.」みたいな文の
不定詞句「to study English」が、目的語なのか
補語なのか何なのか、って質問がちょっと前にあったけど、
やっとわかった。これ繰り上げ構文になってるんだな。
169:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/28 18:03:25.94 +JroHG3t0.net
>>168
教えてもらえませんか？
繰り上げ構文って？
170:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/28 18:09:01.89 +JroHG3t0.net
He seems to be worried.
は
He is worried.にseems toという外から見たときの気持ちが加わっただけ
と思っていたけど、なんか繰り上げ構文という言葉ができていたんだな。
だけど、He want the box to be put away to the gabbage can.
というの（綴りが違うらしい）は全く、繰り上げ構文とは違うと思うんだけどな
171:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/28 18:34:27.49 U6pmENj+0.net
>>169
これ
URLﾘﾝｸ(en.wikipedia.org)(linguistics)
There are at least two types of raising predicates/verbs: raising-to-subject verbs
and raising-to-object predicates. Raising-to-object predicates overlap to a large extent
with so-called ECM-verbs (= exceptional case-marking). These types of raising
predicates/verbs are illustrated with the following sentences:
a. They seem to be trying. - seem is a raising-to-subject verb.
a. Fred wants us to help. - want can be a raising-to-object predicate.
172:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/28 18:40:11.77 U6pmENj+0.net
wantの場合はうまい文が作れないが、expectだと：
I expect that he will help us.
このthat節のＳである「he」を主節のＯに繰り上げる。
すると：
I expect him to help us.
になる。
文構造が根本的に変化しているから、そのままＳＶＯＣを
割り振ること自体が無理、ということになる。
受動態の文をＳＶＯＣで分けないのと同じで（この場合、
元の能動態の文の方でＳＶＯＣを割り振る）。
173:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/28 23:44:54.64 SHhDP9WJ0.net
単語末の破裂音は発しないと言いますが、ならばmakeとmadeの違いはどうやってつければいいんですか？
いつも「メイッ」って言う癖がついてると、make a～とmade a～の区別がつかなくなりそうなんですが
174:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
19/07/29 00:58:04.52 /QjDNkXy0.net
語頭の鼻音を発しなければ無問題
語中の母音も発しなければさらによい