09/04/03 19:20:16
Americans win when they and Japanese start learning Chinese together.
Knowing a Japanese version of Kanji won't help. Instead that puts a huge roadblock in the way.
Americans can transfer their grammar of English to Chinese, but Japanese can't that of Japanese.
In addition, there are a whole bunch of easy access to China for Americans, but there are few for Japanese.
Japanese are supposed to pick Korean instead of Chinese. They can be super-students without troubles.
Good luck anyway for your challenge.
563:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/03 20:06:11
>>562
Really? It's sad that knowing kanji used in Japan won't help with acquiring Chinese.
Looking at the pronunciaiton, both Chinese and English have wide range of sounds, unlike Japanese.
Native English speaker don't seem to get trouble in speaking Chinese as long as I watch videos in youtube.
Cool!
564:Tennessean ◆3VadybvJ.s
09/04/04 01:20:33
>>561
Alright, first, I have to wait until the book I ordered comes in!
>>563
I think it will, actually. Japanese characters are almost exactly the same
in appearance and inherent meaning as Chinese characters, but the readings of
said characters are different. However, that means I won't have to, say, memorize
the basic alphabet again. Except for the single Hanzi which seem to have single characters
for STRANGELY SPECIFIC items.
565:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/04 02:19:01
>>564
Out of curiosity, how many Kanji do you know?
566:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/04 05:35:00
The Japanese version of Chinese characters are somewhere between traditional ones and simplified ones.
They are all logograms but different in minor details. It's like looking at texts in Russian, Polish, and English.
Anyway, when Japanese start learning Chinese, they start learning from reading Chines texts. This works fine.
But when it comes to speaking, the knowledge of how to pronounce Chinese characters in Japanese interferes them every step they go.
(Remember Americans who are learning French....)
The golden rule for any Japanese to learn Chinese is to spend all of your time on speaking and listening at the beginning. This works.
Hope this would be of your assistance.
567:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/04 05:51:20
Don't think, just feel.
568:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/04 05:59:00
More to be precise, it's like a difference among the Greek, the Russian, and the Roman alphabets.
The traditonal and Japanese ones are like those of the Greek and the Russian. The simplified ones are like that of the Roman.
569:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/04 06:27:23
What exactly happened in NY?
Seems like some random shooting took place and a dozen of immigrants got killed there.
570:Tennessean ◆3VadybvJ.s
09/04/04 06:34:37
>>569
Apparently some idiot blocked the back door of an immigration services center with his car,
went in with a gun, and started killing as many people as he could before killing himself.
Obama reacted swiftly in giving his thoughts and prayers to the victims and Biden chastised
the already dead gunman.
571:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/04 07:21:57
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.youtube.com)
Have you ever heard of or ate at Coldstone Creamery?
I hadn't heard of it until I watched some videos on youtube.
The icecream sold there looks delicious and I definately want to try some
but I'm confused with its staff sing a song. I felt this feeling coming up from inside of me, "JUST SHUT UP!"
Very irritating.
Yeah, girls there are cute but....Just "SHUT UP!" is what I thought
about them. Am I the exception? What do you think?
Also, from hygienic point of view, singing like that is rediculous.
They spit over icecream, right? I bet a man with girl's saliva fetish
would love it.
Some videos on youtube show Coldstone Creamery clerks overseas sing and dance
while making icecream. What the heck. I guess the idea behind it is
to entertain customers but at least I wan't entertained.
I don't like the idea of importing the custom of singing to its outlets
in Japan. They think what's popular in America should get popular in Japan, too
and I don't like it.
Let me use this baseball analogy here. I hate Coldstone Creamery clerks' singing
as much as I hate some Japanese baseball players who chew a gum in a
game like hell, thinking its cool influeced by Major Leaguers.
572:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/04 07:46:31
>>570
Ummm.. It looks like there have been lots of shooting sprees going on lately.
We've got a madman with a missile (or whatever satellite) across the sea but most probably no one's gonna die.
I guess one with a gun in the neighborhood might actually be more of a threat in real life. 合掌
573:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/04 07:51:30
>>571
It's a terrible scene.
If it started as a result of being influenced by other country, I think it's all the worse.(^_^;)
574:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/04 09:46:30
Maybe that dude played "Postal" too much....
575:Tennessean ◆3VadybvJ.s
09/04/04 10:14:18
>>571
Is what you find so annoying something which can be explained or is it just
irritating for no particular reason? I don't see anything annoying about that.
I went to a Coldstone Creamery once. It was alright. The service was nothing
special.
>>572
I almost wish someone would just invade North Korea and get that idiot out of power. He
is starving his whole country because of his own personal pride. It's ridiculous, but I
have a feeling if anyone does invade he will make every damn person in the country a
conscript and the causalities would end up being huge.
Besides that, these kinds of killing sprees just about happen on a regular basis now.
It's pretty consistent.
>>565
I have no idea. Certainly not enough.
576:Tennessean ◆3VadybvJ.s
09/04/04 10:19:57
hahahaha, I just noticed this.
On yahoo finance
URLﾘﾝｸ(finance.yahoo.com)
>Here are 10 great affordable places to retire.
-- Binghamton, N.Y.
They release this article on the exact same day that there is a killing spree in
Binghamton. Just great lol. Indeed, a great place to retire.
577:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/04 11:04:49
I just watched Fox News. I thought I was under illusion that I was in wonderland...
Bill O'Reilly was criticizing Obama for, in his speech in Paris, being wrong regretting the tortures
inflicted by the US Forces in Iraq and too much pandering to the French. On top of that,
O'Reilly endorsed what Bush did in the past 8 years. Is he sane by American standards,
or did I misunderstand something about why Europeans are somewhat anti-America?
578:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/04 11:23:56
An artificial satelite is going to be lounched across Japan from North Korea. Be careful‥
579:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/04 12:25:29
>>578
Idiot!
580:Tennessean ◆3VadybvJ.s
09/04/04 12:31:22
>>577
Europeans are just bitter that they lost all of their former colonies, nothing more.
581:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/04 13:38:09
>>579
no, you!
582:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/04 16:12:41
Yes, I know a number.
583:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/04 18:42:36
>>578
Japanese Government can't detected the missile. It's may fake for another
one to having us confused. Be ware for it!
584:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/04 19:35:38
Are there
dengerous places in Los angels？
585:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/04 21:08:15
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.youtube.com)
0:19
>>584
As far as I know, one of the dangerous places in LA is sounth central
586:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/04 23:24:21
North Korea thought twice to launch a missile.
587:金玉儿
09/04/05 06:16:13
I thnk Kim Yu-na's thigh the stronger because her thigh is thin and soft.
Therefore I'm convinced Kimmy Mizener know better than to hit her fat and firm thigh against Yu-na's thigh!!
Even if One hundred of Kimmy Mizeber's thighs in a bunch confront Kim Yu-na's thigh, they could not win.
Do you know Kimmy Mizener?
588:イギリス人
09/04/05 10:03:56
>>544
Hid for a week, but it was too cold, so came back.
>>580
Being in what once was the largest colonial superpower the world has ever
seen, there's not really all that much tension between here and the US.
Britain's most distrusted nation is still just across the sea. France.
589:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/05 11:07:41
People tend to forget but it's true that the UK also took a major part in
the Afghanistan and Iraq invasion for its own interests. I watched a good
BBC documentary show that describes what was going on in Britain
right before entering the Afghanistan war.
590:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/05 11:58:30
>>589
Go ahead.
591:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/05 12:11:06
North Korea... for Christ's sake.
592:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/05 12:56:42
Where did the missile go anyway?
593:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/05 13:29:10
I guess the missile plunged into the Pacific ocean.
594:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/05 17:24:30
>>588
>Being in what once was the largest colonial superpower the world has ever
seen, there's not really all that much tension between here and the US.
Pardon my ignorance, but I don't understand the structure of this sentence.
I understand this type of sentences are called the participial construction,
and the deleted subject of the sub clause is identified with the subject of the main clause.
But here, I wonder what the hidden subject really is.
Probably, Britain, or I?
595:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/05 23:02:35
Well, I think this sentence is a bit irregular, meaning-wise.
But anyway, yes, 'here' means U.K., I think.
Did that bother you?
596:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/06 01:26:20
>>595
I see, thanks. I just got a little confused, since I still haven't got the hang of it.
Besides, イギリス人 often drops the subject, so I couldn't get rid of the feeling that he might possibly omit some word.
597:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/06 01:31:50
Those North Korean leaders are fucking crazy.
598:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/06 12:12:37
What's Fuck?
599:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/06 14:09:01
My American girlfriend says her friends are all interested in Korean guys
and I asked her why, then she answered, "obviously Korean guys are really quite attractive.
I know all the girls over the world fall in love with Korean guys and we all American girls also can't help it."
and after that, she added, "Korean guys are mesmerising because they are smart, manly, and self-confident. I thought
you would say no when I asked you out. I was totally nervous then. Having a Korean boyfriend was my dream. So I'm really
happy now." Yes, I know Korean guys are popular with girls, but I didn't expect this much.
Korean guys are known as highly educated, gentle to girls, as well as manly and sexy. No wonder girls are attracted to Korean guys.
My girl says Chinese and Jap guys are far pathetic compared to Korean guys, She says those who walk on the street with them are considered a loser
so many girls don't have any interest in them. I don't know why they are disliked so much, but one thing is for sure: even if American girls
are not interested in Jap and chinese guys, that doesn't mean Asian guys need to feel depressed. Korean guys represent Asian sexiness. Korean guys popularity will never change.
On the contrary, it's increasing. So all Asian guys should be thankful to and proud of Korean guys! :)
600:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/06 14:51:00
We must wage a vigorous and ruthless war against North Korea.
A pre-emptive strike, nuclear or conventional, which can wreak
devastating and irrevocable havoc on the whole land of North Korea,
is the only solution to the intractable impasse facing us.
North Korea is a malignant tumor which must be wiped out,
once and for all, for the stability and prosperity of the Far East.
Now is the time to take action.
601:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/06 14:59:49
DOWN WITH NORTH KOREA DOWN WITH NORTH KOREA
DOWN WITH NORTH KOREA DOWN WITH NORTH KOREA
DOWN WITH NORTH KOREA DOWN WITH NORTH KOREA
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DOWN WITH NORTH KOREA DOWN WITH NORTH KOREA
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DOWN WITH NORTH KOREA DOWN WITH NORTH KOREA
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DOWN WITH NORTH KOREA DOWN WITH NORTH KOREA
DOWN WITH NORTH KOREA DOWN WITH NORTH KOREA
602:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/06 16:32:03
North Korea is a bleeding malignancy without extracting which
a numbing cataclysm that will eventually lead to the dysfunctional
paralysis and agonizing demise of Japan is never to be evaded.
But, unfortunately, anti-humanitarian, resource-devouring China
and ever-callous, ever-implacable Russia, which together with
tumorous North Korea coalesce as a totalitarian axis of evil, are
the fanatical foes too perilous to handle with the present military
capability of Japan.
Avaricious America will never intervene militarily because there is no oil at stake.
Hence the need to make Japan nuclear.
603:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/06 16:53:59
>>600ｰ602
Go Oil, young man!
604:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/06 16:57:12
>>599
Go Canine, Korean Guys!
605:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/06 17:02:28
>>599
Go Kennels, Korean Guys!
606:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/06 18:07:24
Rocken Roll is dead.
So is 米人.
607:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/07 00:07:32
Rick roll is still alive and kicking.
608:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/07 01:12:31
>>607
Rick Rolling stopped being funny the day it was invented.
609:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/07 01:36:49
>>608
Now the most famous Rolling is this.
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.youtube.com)
610:Tennessean ◆3VadybvJ.s
09/04/07 06:00:20
>>599
Sounds like you had a nice conversation with your hand.
611:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/07 06:06:57
>>610
Responding to him looks like you want to join the conversation with him and his hand.
612:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/07 06:12:20
>>610
URLﾘﾝｸ(cgi2.nhk.or.jp)
Enjoy this news video.
613:Tennessean ◆3VadybvJ.s
09/04/07 10:36:17
>>612
Yea yea, I heard about that. That is a Japanese show, isn't it? That news anchor
looks kind of Asian... or Indian, I guess, but he sounds American.
...I think I am the only tripfag left here except for the one special appearance
of イギリス人.
614:Tennessean ◆3VadybvJ.s
09/04/07 12:01:02
I'm reading this book called, "The Great Crash, 1929", it is just infinitely
interesting. It's been in print continuously since it was published in 1955.
People back then were just insane. They were betting into the
securities market when a large majority of them didn't even understand how it
worked... just it makes them money somehow. Not even the Chairman of the
Democratic National Committee knew how it worked and he was publishing articles
telling people how to become rich.
The Fed seemed to know what was going on, that everyone else was being fucking
stupid, but they were just keeping their mouths shut because they didn't want
to take the blame for preemptively causing an inevitable crash.
615:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/07 12:31:37
>>614
Majority of people in the US still believe Pearl harbor was a "surprise attack"
and even compare it to 9/11. So what can I say. People ARE fucking stupid.
616:615
09/04/07 12:58:26
by the way, Thanks for bringing up the book. I'm currently reading Grate Gatsby and that book could
definitely be the next one.
617:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/07 13:20:02
>>615
Even majority of Japanese people blindly believe Japanese armies attacked Hawaii without any statement before it.
Still, I have no idea if it's true or not.
618:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/07 13:51:19
>>617
Japan DID attack Hawaii without declaring the war. Japan declared war 30 minutes
after the attack so it is technically a surprise attack. So there is no excuse there, but
30 minutes? Did it really matter when the administration was well aware that they are
invoking the attack by sending Japan the ultimatum?
Sorry Tennessean it may not be fair I talk about it here but I just couldn't believe
American media brought up Pearl Harbor 8 years ago. And the last depression,
and ignorance of both American and Japanese citizens, were 2 of the major
reasons we got into the war so I thought it's somewhat relevant.
619:Tennessean ◆3VadybvJ.s
09/04/07 14:13:13
>>618
I tend to stay as far away from the American media as possible so I didn't even know about that, but besides
that, I'm not offended at all. 9/11 isn't at all like Pearl Harbor in that the terrorists were just aiming to
kill American citizens, not wage war with our military.
620:Tennessean ◆3VadybvJ.s
09/04/07 14:17:32
American leadership was desperately looking for a way to enter WW2 long before Japan
attacked. America usually doesn't enter or start a war unless freedom or the country is
somehow threatened. Pearl Harbor gave them an excellent reason to enter.
621:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/07 14:18:53
US secret agency had known that Japan would attack pearl harbor, but they hadn't let hawaian military know Japans attack.
622:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/07 14:43:25
>>619-620
Thank you. That's exactly how I see it and I know a lot of American people do too.
But sadly "people" are not as smart as you are, and one of the things that drives people
even crazier is money, so considering the circumstance we are in, it is natural to
be interested in what happened in the last depression. That's why I start reading
an old book and it seems you picked another book from the same age.
Thank you again for bringing it up. I'll read it after I finish great gatsby.
it'll take some time though.
623:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/07 14:50:54
>>621
The administration was aware of the attack, there is no question about it.
but I don't know if they knew it would be Pearl Harbor. I personally doubt it.
624:firestar
09/04/07 14:59:41
>>622
from reading the political/historical posts made by mr tennessean over the past few months, "smart" would be a poor word choice.
"uneducated" would be a better choice.
read the books The 5000 Year Leap, American Progressivism, The Real George Washington, The Real Thomas Jefferson, The Real Benjamin Franklin, and Liberal Fascism.
all good reads
625:firestar
09/04/07 15:02:57
i can't post via the app "Thousand" anymore. what is wrong?
626:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/07 15:04:09
>>624
You mean "educated"?
Now you are asking me too much, but I'll keep these in my mind too. Thanks,
627:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/07 15:19:48
OK. I made it too political. My bad.
It sounds like you have been here for months Tennessean, what made you ?
Are you trying to learn Japanese? Did 2ちゃんねる help or is it mainly for motivation?
What's your favorite Japanese learning site?
628:firestar
09/04/07 15:22:35
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.wimp.com)
629:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/07 15:33:56
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630:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/07 15:43:30
>>628
It provides an interesting view, but isn't it too much like
a TV commercial for Dodge Ram?
631:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/07 15:51:40
I mean, "Ford is so old they suck we have Hemi and we rule!" kind of way?
I actually find Republicans are more oligarchic.
632:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/07 19:35:36
This is a nice pussy.
Must see.
URLﾘﾝｸ(p.pita.st)
633:金玉儿
09/04/07 20:36:27
Kim Yu-na must be a most beautiful and a most graceful since human race appeared on the earth.
Why don't president Barack Obama and North Korean 金正日 sign over thier posts for Kim Yu-na?
634:Tennessean ◆3VadybvJ.s
09/04/08 03:17:56
>>627
It's mainly for Japanese learning. There is so much slang used around here
that it isn't easy to read a lot of stuff.
>>624
Is this guy Japanese? But anyways, yea, I'm an idiot.
635:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/08 05:13:59
Japan Pledges To Halt Production Of Weirdo Porn That Makes People Puke
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.theonion.com)
well, not that I would care...
（；_・）
636:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/08 05:45:23
>>632
Yum Yum Yummyyyy.
637:Tennessean ◆3VadybvJ.s
09/04/08 11:24:07
I got my Chinese book... and yea, I have no clue how to pronounce nearly
all of this stuff. The book gives explanations of how to move the mouth
to make the sounds, but it isn't too helpful. I think I was supposed to
order another book which goes with the one I already got. That one probably
has the CDs this book is referring too.
The drawings in this book are quite interesting, btw, it looks very old.
It is fitting for a book from a communist republic.
638:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/08 11:35:16
Don't think, just feel!
639:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/08 11:43:59
You practice practice practice practice practice practice practice the whole day through
To practice practice practice practice practice practice practice is what you are supposed to like to do.
It ain't no trick to master Chinese quick lol!
640:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/08 12:06:02
>>635
I have no interest whatsoever in those creative porn films or don't give a damn if they get prohibited,
but my impression is, they were moronic enough to keep watching it until they got sick. Silly.
641:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/04/08 15:58:05
Do you know Aizawa Yurie?
Aizawa Yurie is a Japanese singer-songwriter age 18.
She is not only a singer-songwriter, but also DJ of the radio FM-YOKOHAMA.
Besides she is a student at the music university.
She is very cute and her songs are so nice.
I think she will be one of the best singer-songwriter in Japan soon.
Don't miss her songs!!
URLﾘﾝｸ(youtube.com)