09/04/18 15:12:25
>>482
実際問題、「両方の立場を考えられる人が増え」なきゃいけないのはIDほしい側でしょ。
良識ある賛成派は陣営から抜けだしたし、メリケンも追放されてたじゃん
賛成派がおかしいのは、高校生だって感じる
485:名無しさん@英語勉強中
09/04/18 15:16:17
と、中学生が申しておりますw
486:名無しさん@英語勉強中
09/04/18 15:37:01
中学生にボコボコにされて、ハハ悔しそう~!
487:めりけん ◆gY8Fip1mTE
09/04/18 15:37:11
>>484
まあそりゃそうだわな。IDないところに導入しようとしてるんだから。
賛成派がもうちょっとうまく立ち回れんと無理だね。
2chの運営のことを理解してなさすぎる。
488:名無しさん@英語勉強中
09/04/18 15:40:56
アメリカで無駄な時間を過ごすのが好きな人なんだろ。
おどろきのゆとり爺さんだ。
489:名無しさん@英語勉強中
09/04/18 18:43:30
ID反対派(現状に満足)
*If the system ain't broke, don't fix it.
*It's a good place to develop your media literacy.
*There's some truth even in those rude, offensive comments.
ID賛成派(現状に不満)
*俺在米10年だけど、まともに英語出来る、2ちゃん歴も何倍もある、こっちが得る物がこの板には非常に少ない。
ゆとりの君に「おたくから得る物はない」と言われても、馬鹿だなあ、と思うだけ
*俺、英語は結構出来るんだけど、正直受験生とか、TOEICや英検が目的の人と話すのは大変。常識が違うから。
*検定命、学歴、受験命、の人達が、どのスレにもふらっと「来てしまう」というのが問題だ。
490:名無しさん@英語勉強中
09/04/18 20:59:30
>*俺、英語は結構出来るんだけど、正直受験生とか、TOEICや英検が目的の人と話すのは大変。常識が違うから。
Huh? Who said that?
Would you mind rephrasing that in other words? I have no idea what you are talking about.
Allow me to introduce myself. I'm an English major, and what I have learned/believe is completely opposite from yours.
Basically speaking, all foreign language learners virtually follow the same simple, uniform course of study,
regardless of your intention whether you want to acquire English for practical use or to study for Japanese college.
Take vocabulary building, for example.
You encounter a new unfamiliar word, and grasp one general meaning of that today.
Then you come across the word tomorrow and the day after again and again, you finally begin to use it by yourself.
But a native speaker of the language someday tells you the usage of the word is somewhat unnatural, and you get even closer to the true meaning of the word. The rest is infinite repetition of this cycle.
That's our "常識" if I may say.
If my words sounded rude, that's because I'm offended by your ignorance and arrogance.
What makes you think you are different from other commoners really?
As long as we all learners are essentially the same, we are open to communication.
491:名無しさん@英語勉強中
09/04/19 07:30:03
>>480=>>485の捨てぜりふなら残念の一言だね。
年齢と経歴をハッタリに使った甲斐もなく逃げたのかと。
492:名無しさん@英語勉強中
09/04/20 05:27:24
在米10年はどこ行った?キチッと反論しろよw
493:名無しさん@英語勉強中
09/04/20 08:32:36
>>490
なに、かまって欲しいの?
"I" said that. Can't you see? The subject is "俺" there.
OK, you are an English major and it seems you write pretty decent English. Good for you.
And you believe that there is the golden rule in learning English and everybody should
follow it. You know what? I somewhat agree with that too. But the question here is,
Are you or Are you not "受験生" or "英検合格やTOEICハイスコアが目的の人"?
You are obviously not, and I don't know what made you the PR for them.
Let me tell you something. You said there is only one way of learning English,
and I concur. I believe that people should start from real basics like vowels.
Yes, they should start from mumbling different vowels like babies do until
they can differentiate them. Then the consonents. Then they should re-learn
all the basic words with the correct pronunciations, the words like cat, dog,
together, etc. This is crucial to English proficiency as the ability to recognize
phonemes correctly is strongly related not just to listening and speaking alone
but also to memorization and acquisition of vocabulary.
494:名無しさん@英語勉強中
09/04/20 08:33:17
However, do I recommend
this to 受験生s?Hell no! They will be 2浪 while they are still mumbling 'mama' and 'papa'.
I have a friend who managed to bring his 偏差値 up to 70 something from 30 something
in a year. The trick? Thousands of 単語カード. Minimal Japanese translation par word.
This is possibly the worst way to learn English but probably the most efficient way to
get a good 偏差値, and you know it.
It is very noble of you to think every English learners should aim for the real English
proficiency but face it, 受験生 care about 偏差値, and 偏差値 alone. They are not interested
in basics that will help them 4 years later, and they are right, they shouldn't be. The same
goes for TOEIC and 英検. While they require more well-rounded skills, you'd be mad to
recommend re-learning of basic vocabularies to a サラリーマン who needs to get 730 in
2 month for 昇進試験 or something like that. I'm not bashing these people, different people
have different goals in life, I just said it's hard to talk to them. And you see all these TOEIC
and 学歴荒らし? While it's not their fault, it could be completely avoided if we have different
boards or at least abated if we have ID.
495:名無しさん@英語勉強中
09/04/20 08:34:06
I'm actually not counting on changing the board policy and I don't even post on this thread
much, so I don't really care about this, but you are saying you want to "enjoy" 荒らし and
cussing anybody who supports introduction of ID, so I believe I have the right to make some
sarcastic comments. I'm not enjoying those 荒らし, and I believe I have as much right to
want to get ID introduced as you have to not want to. You make yourself sound like your
opinion is supported by the majority of people here and acting like your own this place,
take it or leave it, but really you are just attacking anybody who have different opinion than yours.
You cuss people, and you get cussed. It's as simple as that. Actually, I didn't even once cussed you girl.
Look at your posts and think about it.
496:名無しさん@英語勉強中
09/04/20 09:04:48
そろそろsage進行にしようぜ
497:名無しさん@英語勉強中
09/04/20 23:05:35
>>493
全然話題と関係ないけど、メチャクチャ上手い英語だな。
どうやってその英語力身につけたん?
498:名無しさん@英語勉強中
09/04/21 02:04:49
まさかここで褒められるとはw どうもどうも。
イギリスのランゲージスクール数ヶ月の上に、仕事のメール、ミーティング、
ウェブのフォーラム、テレビ、映画、雑誌、小説、日常会話が7000時間くらいかな?
499:名無しさん@英語勉強中
09/04/21 15:02:36
>>497
てか、これが上手いって判断出来るって何者?メリケンさん?
俺、よくここの板の子に、お前は英語出来ないって笑われるんだけどw
500:名無しさん@英語勉強中
09/04/21 16:47:38
何者?ていい方はなんかムカつくいい方だな。
英語勉強してるまともな大人なら大体わかることで、あんたが特別優秀だから、同様の人間しか理解できないって思ってる?
因みに俺は497でも何でもないよ
501:名無しさん@英語勉強中
09/04/21 18:07:55
>>500
君は本当にわかりやすいなあ、お嬢さんw
502:名無しさん@英語勉強中
09/04/21 23:38:48
>>498
サンキュ。なるほどねえ。書いてる内容から見て、素の頭がいいっていうのもあるんだろうけど
やっぱり量こなさないとそこまではいかない、ってことだよね。
俺は仕事ではほとんど英語使わないから、この「量をこなす」っていうのが
ネックになってるなあ。特に実践的に量をこなすっていうのが難しい。
>>499
何者も何も、その辺のフツーのおっさんだよw
503:名無しさん@英語勉強中
09/04/23 04:31:18
>>495
『IDに賛成していない=荒らし』、という図式から離れてみてはいかがかな?
冷静な頭で考えてその推論なら、恥ずかしいぞ。
>>494
それは詰め込み世代の体験談かな?
時代は変わって、今ではセンター試験でもリスニングを導入しているよ。
長文も易しい単語を用いたものを、多量に読ませるスタイルになってて、お主の説く理想に近くなっている。
かといって偏差値70でも英語ぺらぺらの保証には何にもならないのは、今でも変わってないけどね。
>>499
ワシもお主の英語はうまいと思うよ、、、今回はね(w)
以前は1文=1段落くらいの長い長~い、挿入々々で細切れの、読みにくくて
難しい単語を使うのが好きそうな、古い受験生タイプの文。
昨年だから、在米9年めかw
504:名無しさん@英語勉強中
09/04/23 04:44:40
お主、上のほうで荒れてるスレの例を挙げてない?
何でやめちゃったの?
あと、それに対してなされた反論を読んで当たってると思わんかった?
解決の糸口は論客の主張の中にこそあるものじゃろJK
*There's some truth even in those rude, offensive commentsってね。
お主の頭なら普通わかりそうなもんなんじゃが、、、