09/02/21 22:34:25
（つづき）
I think, many many people in Japan are not very much religious (I am one of them). As you know, people go to the shrine on
the new years day. And they go to the temple in summer (Bon season in August), and they say Merry Christmas
in december... And still, these are now like the events in year, still the bon season praying could be a bit serious
though.
So, these words atheist and agnostic, or 無神論者 and 不可知論者 don't give me any feeling as the words.
Maybe, could sound strong and provocative for some religious people.
Literally, yes 男女差別主義者 is a right word but I understand you have heard it not too often in real life.
As the impression for me, only some "feminists" sometimes yell this word out loud on some media but actually,
it doesn't appear to me the exact 男女差別 but simply the differences between men and women. (You know, often
these two definitions get mixed)
Well, the language wise, again "男女差別主義者 danjo sabetsu shugisha" sounds too long and not really used
in the daily talk.
I might be wrong, but this is my opinion. I hope it makes sense for you.
433:425
09/02/21 22:37:10
>>429
I think we rarely if ever call others 人種差別主義者 even when they're making shockingly racist comments which, if translated in English, would make English speakers piss in their pants.
I just couldn't think of a realistic situation in which I'd use that word to describe or refer to a person.
As for technical terms in European philosophy, I guess the Japanese language doesn't help you grasp concepts at all.
It's like you can't explain well the philosophy of Confucianism in English or other European languages.
>性差別主義者・・ I'm not familiar with the word either.
So I'm not the only one. I felt relieved to hear that.
434:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/21 22:41:30
I wish Tennessean won't be a future Christopher Newsome and
Channon Christian.
435:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/21 22:47:40
I guess 女性差別主義者 is more popular word.
性差別主義者 sounds square and formal.
436:425
09/02/21 22:49:49
>>431
"You racist!" sounds strong to me, and 「レイシスト！」is rather funny to hear.
I guess 人種差別主義者 is too formal or "heavy," not an ad hominem label.
I don't know how I can offend others by claiming they have a racist view in Japanese.
Can you do that?? I guess not. This is also the case with 性差別主義者, I think.
As for religion, I don't think many religious Japanese know what 不可知論者 means.
So it doesn't seem to me whether we're religious or not is the crux.
437:425
09/02/21 22:50:52
>>435
Obviously, the word 女性差別主義者 is itself sexist.
438:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/21 22:57:45
>>437
Yes.
I don't know why 女性差別主義者(more wordy word) become
more familiar. I suppose 女性差別主義者 is more explicit and plain
than 性差別主義者 which souds like study word.
439:425
09/02/21 22:59:40
>>438
I mean, 女性差別主義者 is like using 黒人差別主義者 instead of 人種差別主義者.
Did you get it?
440:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/21 23:03:07
Sexist(性差別主義者) is generally regared as
woman discriminator even though it can apply to both sexes.
I think that's another reason.
Is it another sexist syndrome?
441:425
09/02/21 23:05:27
>>440
I think it's some politically correct nonsense, but 女性差別主義者 sounds as awkward to me as 黒人差別主義者.
442:431
09/02/21 23:09:52
>>436
Not hearing those expressions in the daily talk is one thing, and offending others by calling them with those
names is another thing, I guess.
I don't really have an idea how to offend them by what "name" I could call them with, in japanese.
Not only 人種差別主義者 and 性差別主義者 but all wises.
"あなたは女性差別主義者ですね" might work, but "この女性差別主義者！"sounds a bit.. how to say.. odd.
I might bite my tongue.
About 「レイシスト」, I only have "seen" the text, not "heard" as the sound when it was said. So, you might be right,
it could sound funny. Maybe, not as natural said (sound wise) as english one.
443:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/21 23:16:58
>>437
In reality racist is used to describe white people's racism too.
Maybe sexist is the same.
But sexist and racist are more general and comprehensive words,
or politically correct words.
Sexist is applicable to any situations but it may be inconvenient
to accuse the concrete sitiation of men's discrimination against women.
It can dillute woman's intention.
That is probably why 女性差別主義 is more popular in Japan.
By the way, 逆差別reverse discrimination is used to mean
男性差別主義. I've never heard of 男性差別主義(者).
We should create new word 男性差別主義者.
444:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/21 23:18:46
Name calling is the last resort for unintelligent people when they cannot discuss a topic in depth,
whichever side they take. Each one alone desn't mean much. However, labeling serves a great sorting
purpose sometimes and is totally sufficient if any other possible explanations or persuations don't really work, I think.
445:425
09/02/21 23:20:40
>>442
Hrm. You reminded me of this American who said American English is best when it comes to swearing.
He taught me "asshole" and "douche bag" are synonyms in American English, which I though was very strange.
Don't you think they should be antonyms? A hole and something to be put in to an opening next to the hole in question.
446:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/21 23:28:20
Racialist is a new word for racist to hike "racist" position.
Mr.David Duke won't be offended by being called racialist.
Or Racism instead of Racial realism.
Mr.Jared Taylor is famous for his racial realism.
In addition is it true that racist and racism are strange words
linguistically?
I heard adjective "racial" with "ist" or "ism" was correct.
noun "race" and "ist" or "ism" is incorrect.
447:425
09/02/21 23:28:57
>>443
My stupid brain is going to explode. Argh!
Ok, I'm done. So you mean a woman uses 女性差別主義 because she differentiates discrimination against one sex to THE other and ignore homosexual persons and such?
How not sexist she is!
448:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/21 23:29:12
No.
Racial Realism instead of racism.
449:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/21 23:31:07
homosexual is another sex?
I've not reached that point.
450:425
09/02/21 23:35:46
>>446
I guess if a linguistic theory claims a popular word used by native speakers is WRONG, then it's messed up already.
What native speakers say is correct, not the other way around.
I'm not saying descriptive grammar is superior to prescriptive one, but if a set of prescriptive rules don't much the vernacular, it's bulls-, er, not accurate, if you ask me.
451:425
09/02/21 23:38:16
>>449
Sorry, homosexual isn't the right word. But there are many who has XXY genes or something, not XY (male) nor XX (female).
I forgot what it is called. But there're more such people than you expect, I guess.
452:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/21 23:43:00
Economist is the same structure with Racist.
So I don't know whether criticism of word "racist" is
right in the first place.
But I have an impression that racialist sounds more right with
respects to meaning and structure.
453:425
09/02/21 23:43:13
Ah, I can't write proper English any more lol.
Maybe I need to go to bed.
Thanks for your comments. I'll come back to this thread later.
I'm still looking forward to more opinions and comments.
Cheers,
454:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/21 23:51:55
Anyone know what this kind of people >>451 are called?
I knew it but can't remember.
455:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/21 23:54:05
HaHa. Sexist is one of the examples.
I didn't notice in face of them.
Sexualist sounds like person who is confident in
sexuality to me.
Sexualist relly exists and seem to mean research stuff though.
456:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/21 23:56:20
>>455
By exists, do you mean sexualist is a word?
457:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/21 23:57:31
Androgynous, probably.
458:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 00:02:04
>>454
クラインフィルター症候群
459:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 00:03:10
>>457
I finally found it while googling around. It's Klinefelter's syndrome or simply XYY syndrome.
Thanks anyway.
By the way, I checked the article about Androgyny on Wikipedia and there's a link to "anime" in the See Also section. Go figure.
URLﾘﾝｸ(en.wikipedia.org)
460:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 00:03:15
>>456
Word "sexualist" exists and it does't mean someone with
sexuality.
citation : One who classifies plants by the sexual method of Linnæus.
It seems to be very academic word so I don't know what common native speakers
imagine when they hear it.
461:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 00:03:24
oops, クラインフェルター症候群 is correct
462:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 00:04:16
>>458
Yes, that's it. Thanks. I didn't know it's called the same way in Japanese.
463:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 00:09:10
>>460
I see. So it's a word. I've never heard of that.
>>458,459
Same difference... Would it be wrong if I answered クラインフ「ィ」ルター in an final exam of medical class?
464:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 00:10:06
>>462
I didn't know the term either, but since I have knoledge about biology, I searched what the person
who has XXY is called out of curiosity.
By the way, 三毛猫 is likely to have XXY chromosome.
465:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 00:15:29
XXX classified uncut uncensored movies are my favorite as well.
466:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 00:15:30
>>464
IIRC, male 三毛 is very rare. I have seen a male 三毛猫 in person though.
467:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 00:16:38
>>463
It's up to your professor.
But it would cause conflicts among him and students if he regarded it wrong.
468:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 00:26:21
>>466
I couldn't make out what ⅡRC suggests and I looked it up on Wiktionary.
I've forgotten the mechanism but certainly male 三毛 is said to be rare.
I'm now interested in why you know this.
469:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 00:33:48
>>468
Um, which do you want to know; why I know the acronym or why I know 三毛 trivia?
IIRC is a very frequent abbreviation so I don't know when and where I picked it up.
As for 三毛, I love cats and used to go to ねこたま in 二子玉川 when I lived in Kanagawa.
470:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 00:36:29
Ah, you may not know ねこたま.
It's a cat theme park where you can see and cuddle all kinds of kittens.
I think I heard of male 三毛 there.
471:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 00:43:49
>>469
Wow, I just saw the ねこたま while reading articles about 三毛猫 just now!
I understand why you've seen male 三毛猫.
Well, the fact that you are cats' lover made me feel happy because I like cats and animals very much.
I keep cats in my house.
Um, it seems impossible to keep my eyes open..
Good night!
PS. I made a mistake about ミケネコ.
One has XXY chrosome is male, and that's why male ミケネコ is rare.orz
472:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 00:45:31
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.youtube.com)
He is the sexualist(sexualest)!
He is sexier than Rod Stuart and sing better than Robert Plant.
Even イギリス人 admitted!
And he is the pioneer of drug addiction trend
and the pioneer of DQN parents naming childer strange names.
His son is 美勇士(ミュージ), which comes from "music"ミュージック.
Overmore he was born with a silver spoon and succeeded his
family business.
473:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 00:47:00
eh,, shit
Im so glad. I passed Eiken(Japanese English approval)
yes I passed, only written exam...
I know Im good at English. My score on the test is better than any other student in my school
Yes...
except for FUCKING LISTENING test
I have to goto take an interview of “Eiken英検” tomorrow moning
I guess I never will have a good sleep tonight
474:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 00:50:27
>>471
Sweet dream.
475:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 00:51:00
Good taste, bro. How do you know all these weird musicians from the 70s and 80s.
476:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 01:00:17
Is it possible to connect to Internet and browse websites with i-pod touch?
477:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 01:02:05
>>476
I take it that you got b& from Google.
478:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 01:09:00
>>473
I've never taken the test in question, but I always thought listening sections are generally the easiest in standardized tests.
You're not required to know difficult vocabulary or complex grammar rules.
Maybe, didn't you study pronunciation?
479:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 01:20:40
>>477
What's b&? If you mean it's easy to find an answer by googling,
I won't because I'm lazy.
アメリカ人 worte he accessrd to 2ch with i-pod touch.
I know i-phone have internet access function but i-pod touch, too?
アメリカ人 mentioned there's a possibility that he and the administrator
of 4chan goes to the same university if he goes NY university.
I wrote before that the leading actor, Zack? of high school musical
will enroll in USC according to Japan's wikipedia article, but maybe he hasn't
read my post.
To think he's an avid fan of High School Musical and dances to the video
at least twice a day, he'll choose to go to USC.
How can a boy like Zack who must be extremely busy with acting jobs achieve good enough
academic record to apply for USC, which is a very good uni?
Is it all about recommendation letter, not GPA?
480:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 01:28:44
>>479
I guess it's a different thing than laziness.
As for b&, read it aloud already. Are you that lazy?
481:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 01:39:14
>>480
Ahh, band, which is bandwith.
So you can't make a phone call with i-pod touch but it provides
internet access.
i-pod: music player
i-phone: music player + cell phone + internet access
i-pod touch:music player + internet access
so i-pod touch is kind of like inbetween function-wise.
482:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 01:40:48
And アメリカ人 is not only a panty thief but also a bandwith thief.
Great!
483:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 01:43:04
>>481
...you can browse your usual websites through wifi or something on ipod touch.
B& means, well, banned.
484:Guyjin ◆TTtxpqNzhE
09/02/22 02:02:25
>>412
( ・ω・) I am going to be studying Physics. What about you?
>>417
I find her utterly annoying and unbearable. I don't really understand why anyone is attracted to her. She may be attractive but I cannot see it. She is so annoying that it causes me to see her as ugly.
485:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 02:04:32
>>484
>I don't really understand why anyone is attracted to her. She may be attractive
I always though the definition of "attractive" is that to cause someone attracted.
486:Guyjin ◆TTtxpqNzhE
09/02/22 02:09:32
>>485
It is; however, the term "attractive" used in regard to a man or woman usually focuses on their appearance alone. A beautiful girl would be considered attractive.
Some of it may be subconsciously determined by her personality, but the main reason is her appearance.
( ・ω・) Please let me know if I need to clarify further.
487:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 02:12:05
>>486
Ah, so a guy could be attracted by an ugly bitch, but she's never attractive in the usual sense, right?
488:Guyjin ◆TTtxpqNzhE
09/02/22 02:35:46
>>487
Exactly. He may PERSONALLY find her attractive but when some random person is describing her they would not call her attractive because she is ugly.
489:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 02:38:05
>>483
I see. i-pod touch give you web browsing.
And Banned. Thanks. I'm not banned from google.
If It's not the matter of laziness, what's that?
Maybe I'm an idiot. I have to admit I don't like sorting out websites
on a search result pages to find the best website that matches what
I'm looking for.
>>484
Apply for Calitech or MIT. Are they too difficult?
Japanese people in general have good and positive views on Western people,
because of the popularity of Hollywood actors and singers. That's why Japan is a heaven
for American losers who have no skills other than teaching English in Japan.
Emily is figure is very good. Nice boobs and her speaking Japanese
is an advantage to draw attentions of Japanese men. Not many foreigners
speak English as good as her. That's appealing to Japanese men, too.
But if she's ugly inside, then the ugly side of her personality will surface
bit by bit. Maybe e-begging is the first step, although it was done
in English so people comenting on her blog might not know the fact that
she's asking for money. I don't know.
Let's face it. She has attractive body, beautiful face.
I want to screw her although she's not a good girl to get married with or go out with, though.
I don't know much about her inside but she's beautiful at least in terms
of appearance.
490:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 02:39:13
>>488
Thanks for the lucid explanation!
491:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 02:42:37
>>486
Excuse me cutting in.
So, "be attracted" is subjective, and "attractive" is objective?
Example, some people could be attracted to this girl who looks like a gorilla, but she is not attractive.
Is this right?
492:491
09/02/22 02:44:46
oops, sorry..the answer was there already before I posted.
493:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 02:48:11
>>478
yep I didn't it
when English class in my school our teacher makes us practice of pronounce, I often cut or sleeping lol
494:Guyjin ◆TTtxpqNzhE
09/02/22 02:58:08
>>489
I did not apply to Caltech. I did apply to MIT though. Caltech is a very small school so that makes it less appealing to me.
495:電子工学者
09/02/22 03:30:36
>>494
I almost applied to Caltech and MIT, but I didn't really have the grades to make it in or get scholarships so I decided against it.
Ah well. Enough people have heard of the University of Texas to make a degree from there worthwhile, right?
Right?
496:Guyjin ◆TTtxpqNzhE
09/02/22 03:42:38
>>495
Well as for prestige, undergraduate really doesn't matter anyways. University of Texas is a great school though! You will learn a lot there I think.
497:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 03:52:04
>>494
Calitech only has 900 students in total but they are all excellent.
MIT has more students but more students mean some not so good students can be seen
among total number of students.
So on average, the quality of students is better in Calitech. That's what
I read somewhere.
What about Stanford?
498:アメリカ人 ◆oUpRKPX5A2
09/02/22 04:02:41
>>479
Yup, Im borrowing my neighbor's wifi to post with my iPod touch's full browser capabilities.
Sorry for not answering your post before! USC is known for its film school so I'm sure the actor's
experience is a huge advantage on his application. Plus they get bragging rights if he goes there.
For the record I hate high school musical, much to the dismay of my host sister (she must have
8 posters in her room of just "Zack").
>>484
Nice. I liked the physics class I took last year but not enough to take the AP level ones.
I want to major in Computer Science with a dual minor in Scientology/Scatology.
I was reading some of the previous posts about labels and saw atheist/agnostic mentioned
and that they aren't commonly used. In the US they are used fairly often, mostly because
there is a huge stigma against atheists. In my literature class we've been discuss the morals
(or lack of) of the character Meursault in Albert Camus' The Stranger. My teacher keeps linking
immoralism and atheism, much to the ire of myself and another classmate. Separation of church
and state? I don't think so.
499:電子工学者
09/02/22 06:30:02
>>498
>Scientology/Scatology
うはｗ
By the way, I'm going to Nagoya in the fall for research purposes. What is the general opinion of Nagoya?
I've heard some people (mostly JETs, although I take everything they say with a grain of salt) express a rather low opinion of Nagoya, but I fail to see why.
500:MCAkio
09/02/22 06:43:28
>>496
UT? Really?
NO, if you want to study english, go to University of Georgia or Georgia Tech.
501:Guyjin ◆TTtxpqNzhE
09/02/22 07:45:54
>>497
Caltech students overall are indeed more academically excellent; however, I heard that MIT realized that students who were purely academic did poorly in the school.
I'm also applying to Stanford! They have a very good Physics program as well. My number one choice is Princeton though. Their undergraduate Physics program seems to be the best.
>>498
I wanted to become a Computer Scientist as well until I learned more about Physics. I'm the sort of person who has to know and understand the underpinnings of EVERYTHING. w
>>499
wwww Maybe he can teach us the Kusomiso Technique!
>>500
( ・ω・) Huh? University of Texas at Austin is considered one of the "Public Ivy" schools. Am I mixing up schools or something?
University of Georgia is not on the same level as University of Texas. Georgia Tech is highly ranked but I always hear bad things about their engineers so I have no idea what to think about it.
502:電子工学者
09/02/22 08:35:27
>>500
Eh? I'm not studying English. I'm an Americunt, so I speak a good approximation of English.
>>501
I think UT is considered a "Public Ivy," but I'm actually at UT Dallas. I just said UT because
I was pretty sure nobody has ever heard of UT Dallas. It's like the fifth or sixth choice
for a lot of potential engineering majors.
503:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 11:23:43
>>498
If you and Zack are both accepted by USC, your host sister must scream
with excitment and send you her panty or two. You must take photos of him and
send them to her in return. But that can't beat the thrill and pleasure of stealing them.
>>499
You said you are American, then why did you ask about your university?
Just wanted to know your university's reputation from American?
What do you want to know about Nagoya?
Nagoya is the third or fourth largest city so very urbanized.
Tokyo, Osaka, Nagoya, Yokohama.... I don't know why the JETs have
low opinion about Nagoya, but maybe they just like Tokyo metropolitan
area.
As you may know two of three Japanese Nobel Prize winners last year
studied at Nagoya university.
>>501
You know Kusomiso Technique. Amazed.
504:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 11:36:35
>>503
I wasn't really asking a question. It was more of a joke implying that
nobody has ever heard of the university that I go to. Apparently, though
I was wrong.
Also, even a lot of people in the West know about Kusomiso Technique.
古いネタですから。
505:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 14:09:09
Moderate excersise is good for your health.
Are you doing some excersise every day ?
In my case, strolling around nearby park at night is my routine excersise.
506:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 15:51:31
I do sit-ups and push-ups.
I took online karate master course.
I'll challenge Tennessean to a sumo bout.
507:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 17:50:32
Do you think Heroes of Might and Magic is interesting?
Is there anyone who palyed the game before?
508:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 18:00:24
never
509:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 18:46:12
>>506
It was my first time that I knew there's a site we can practice Karate online.
How did you do that?
I guess that a Karate teacher explain you how to kick or punch in the display, and you imitate the way he perfome.
Am I right?
510:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 18:47:04
>>508
I find the graphic of the game really beautiful.
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.4gamer.net)
I like turn-based strategy games very much.
So if the storyline of this game is sophisticated, I want to give it a try!
511:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 19:15:27
>>509
It's just a joke.
There was that kind of joke in manzai or Yoshimoto Shinkigeki.
「いてもうたろか、われ。俺は空手の黒帯だぞ、コラ。通信教育だけどな。」
I arranged this joke to fit Internet age. That is, online Karate course.
512:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 19:27:03
>>507
I guess it takes a good CPU and graphic card to play the game.
Or else, the picture doesn't run smoothly.
What's your PC's spec? You self-made your PC?
513:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 23:25:19
Does these posts >>502 >>500 mean some of us write proper English so it's not always easy to spot native speakers?
I always thought it was a cinch for native speakers to put their fingers on non-native-ish errors.
And this makes me wonder: Have you ever met a non-native speaker of your mother tongue who would pass for a native speaker when s/he writes a long passage?
I know everyone can speak fairly well with some accent reduction training.
Besides, even native speakers make a ton of errors when speaking.
Actually there're a bunch of youtube videos of faking native speakers of virtually any major language.
But I was thinking you could never get away with errors in your written text;
literate native speakers make far fewer errors in their writings than in speech, so your unnatural word choices and idiosyncratic errors do stick out if made any.
My English skills are limited and I can't tell who writes native-like posts,
but I do know some of posters in here have a better command of English than me (Thank you, advanced learners! I learned a lot from you.).
Do they write flawlessly? If so, it's amazing. I've never seen a Japanese learner having such high level writing skills.
514:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/22 23:31:02
Ah, by "Japanese learner" in the last line of >>513, I mean a person who is learning the Japanese language as a foreign language.
Sorry, it was confusing.
515:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 00:24:20
There are so many versions of this song out there, but this is my fave.<3
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.youtube.com)
What's your theme song today, folks?
516:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 00:38:08
>>515
Here's my today's tune:
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.youtube.com)
By the way, are you the uploader?
517:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 01:00:03
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.youtube.com)
My theme song yesterday was this.
518:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 01:00:54
>>516
No, it's not me, that song just popped up into my mind for some reason.
I liked your pick. Do you like badass girls, or you just like the song?
519:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 01:03:41
>>517
You look good in there.
520:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 01:13:51
>>518
It's Superhuman by Modern Day Zero, and I like the band.
As for girls, I like all sorts of good looking females. Dominatrices are fine too.
When I run into the cool vid, I didn't know the anime series shown in the vid, and it made me give it a shot.
I watched the first few eps of its English dub somewhere on the internet, and now I have a copy of DVD on my HD.
If you don't mind anime and stuff, I recommend it.
521:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 01:23:33
I forgot to mention the title. The series is Black Lagoon. All characters including the female protagonist are supposed to be speaking English in the show,
and, in my humble opinion, their voice acting is pretty good.
Ah, and I wanted to say "When I ran across the vid,". Sorry, I always make stupid errors here and there.
522:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 01:44:03
>>521
I watch some anime, so I'll try it. Thanks. Maybe I can find those eps on youtube, right?
I hope the English is not that hard for me to follow.
BTW, I'd be interested to know how English-dubbed versions sound to native speakers of English.
Lot's of Japanese-dubbed movies sound sort of odd, as their Japanese is sometimes superficial.
I like them that way, but I'm curious if it's the same as with English.
523:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 02:21:03
>>522
I think you can find all eps on some streaming site if you google the title.
If you don't mind it, I'm pretty sure you can torrent 'em all.
I do recommend you buy DVDs if you like it though.
As for English in the show, it's pretty easy. Pronunciation is clear and they don't use big words.
Probably you'll pick up new words/phrases that you're not familiar with so it's a good way to hone your English skills, if you ask me.
524:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 02:21:32
Continuation to >>523
I don't watch anime in Japanese a lot so I'm not sure if English dubs are better in general.
But, from my own experience, I can tell you old series most likely suck and new, popular ones are generally good.
They often hire famous voice actors who voices in foreign movies, tv ads, and whatnot for popular anime.
If you prefer more easy-to-localize shows, you're in luck. Black Lagoon is a good example: Charactors are all supposed to be speaking English.
Of course, you may end up hearing squeeky voices if you like so called moe anime and stuff.
But still, even dubs of moe-ish shows are sometimes very good, if not better than the original Japanese dubs.
Anyway, you can try some eps of each series you have watched in Japanese so you can see if English is shit or not.
525:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 02:24:22
Argh! I can't post a longer comment. It took forever to appear or I'll get an error.
What's wrong? It seems 2ch needs some fix.
526:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 02:26:27
Sorry, I meant "I takes forever." Seems it's me that needs a fix... Whatever.
527:アメリカ人 ◆oUpRKPX5A2
09/02/23 02:37:49
Oh man, Black Lagoon is one of my favorite animes. As for dubs, I really liked the dubbing in
The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (that is also one of my all time favorites).
>>513
As in fluent non native speakers? There are plenty of fluent non native speakers at my school
(most of them Chinese expats) who write and speak perfectly. Remeber though, being able to write
well is distinctive from being a fluent writer. Some of you here are good enough to get away with it as well,
such as yourself. The only thing quirky I noticed was your usage of there're. While it's used in speech
it looks very odd in writing and I would suggest not using the contraction. If anything though that could
be a mistake a native speaker would make as well.
>>507
Oh man that get brings back memories. I use to play it at friends house all the time although
it must have been an older version because the graphics were terrible lol.
My song for today is anything by "The National". I went on YouTube but I couldn't
decide on one single song to pick lol. "Fake Empire" is their most popular song though
so if you're interested I'd search for that one first.
528:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 02:52:14
>>527
Thanks for your detailed commet.
>Remeber though, being able to write well is distinctive from being a fluent writer.
Being a fluent writer is a toll order for me...
>The only thing quirky I noticed was your usage of there're.
I always use the contraction whenever I'm in sort of speaking mode.
For some reason, sometimes I can't help but write the way I speak. Apparently that's why I can't do without a spell checker.
I'm terrible when it comes to spelling. (terrable? terrible? Well, firefox says "terrable" is rediculous... oh wait.)
I'll write more in the next post. Somehow longer posts won't appear.
529:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 03:04:01
Continuation to >>528
Yes! Black Lagoon is awesome.
I think Haruhi is one of good examples of excellent English dubs of moe-ish anime.
The voice action of Kyon, Haruhi, and many other casts are convincing to me.
Though it's not my kind of anime, I picked up lots of vocab from the show.
I guess popular in US = at least torelable dubs. Am I right?
It seems to me Outraw Star, Trigun, Hellsing, and most of fairly new, popular ones are dubbed very well.
530:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 03:09:55
>>528
Ahhh, what's "toll order"?? I wanted to say "It's a tall order." Spell checkers always fail me when it comes to but-it's-also-a-word kind of typo.
531:Guyjin ◆TTtxpqNzhE
09/02/23 03:14:43
>>503
I am sort of a student of 2ch internet culture. I have been following it since 2004 or so. Same with Futaba.
Please teach me 2ch jokes!
( ・ω・) Is the Yoshinoya rant still well known?
532:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 03:22:29
I didn't like the Haruhi Anime. I liked the manga, though. : )
Lucky star ftw!! It's great <3
kagamin <33
533:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 03:26:46
>>531
Not >>503, but since 2004? I'm a newfag compared to you then.
I've been on 2ch for only a year or so, but I know what the Yoshinoya rant means.
So I guess it could still pop up once in a while in a few threads, but it seems to be obsolete.
So you speak Japanese well enough to be able to follow Futaba.
I must admit sometimes I don't understand their moonspeak even though I'm Japanese.
Which boards are you on?
534:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 03:27:42
>>532
Pedo.
...I like it too.
535:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 03:30:20
Didn't the English voice actress of Haruhi also voice the blue hair protagonist in Lucky Star?
I like her voice acting.
536:Guyjin ◆TTtxpqNzhE
09/02/23 03:44:16
>>533
( ・ω・) My Japanese really isn't very good at all. I have a lot of trouble but I can roughly figure out what a lot of posts mean basically through experience.
Futaba also has images so it's a little easier to follow what's going on if you already know what the image means.
I spend most of my time on may, jun and some of the other neta boards.
I'm not surprised the Yoshinoya rant is obsolete. It is extremely old. I wonder if there is any new popular kopipe that I don't know about.
537:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 04:04:55
>>536
>I can roughly figure out what a lot of posts mean basically through experience.
That's impressing. I used to occasionally browse jun, may and others,
but my ISP got b& from Futaba so I fled to 4chan because I didn't have much trouble understanding English.
I think you're learning Japanese in a natural way. I wouldn't be surprised if you eventually achieve native-like fluency.
Well, in my case, /b/ significantly lowered my IQ and /a/ has been hurting my grammar for ages though.
Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with 2ch memes. I have tons of 4chan pasta on my HD, but to me, remembering 2ch memes does more harm than good.
Hmm... In retrospect, maybe I shouldn't have saved 4chan pasta either.
They're funny but usually stupid and always contain a dash of grammatical errors thrown in for good measure.
538:Guyjin ◆TTtxpqNzhE
09/02/23 04:12:49
>>537
I am a long time 4chan user as well except now 4chan is really lame. orz
If you are interested in 4chan kopipe please visit this site: URLﾘﾝｸ(halcy.de)
( ・ω・) Why do you say remembering 2ch memes does more harm than good?
539:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 04:25:16
>>538
Japanese is my mother tongue and if I remembered a meme, maybe I'd blurt it out without thinking.
You know, memes always have some stupidity in them.
If I say something strange in English, it'd be ok because all I need to say is "Ah, maybe I said something wrong? Sorry if I may have offended you. It's my second language after all..."
But I wouldn't be able to get away with it if I said something awkward.
Memes are memes for a reason. They're catchy. I can see myself saying a meme or two out of habit without realizing it.
540:電子工学者
09/02/23 04:26:58
>>533
Remembering 2ch memes is pretty bad if you want to actually learn
Japanese. After all, most 2ch jokes, in my experience, are based on
improper usage of kanji and other intentional (or maybe unintentional)
errors.
One that I see that still pops up a lot is the whole
「Xけど何か質問ある？」thing. Sometimes you see equivalents on Western
*chans, but you see it a lot in in news4vip. By the way, I don't
endorse hanging around there; it'll affect your Japanese and your
intelligence in many more ways than memorising old neta ever will.
541:電子工学者
09/02/23 04:28:10
Oops, meant to reply to >>538.
I really need to put on my glasses before posting...
542:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 04:29:20
And thank you for the link. 4chan has been changing, but I always find it addictive.
What makes you think current 4chan's lame?
543:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 04:40:26
>>540
4chan sure has been hurting my grammar. I can tell you from my own experience.
That said, it greatly helped me improve fluency. I'm not sure if non-native speakers should avoid an idiosyncratic language register.
It's not like I'd say, "eh doesn't afraid of anything" in real life. And like I said, if I did, it wouldn't be that big a problem.
544:Guyjin ◆TTtxpqNzhE
09/02/23 04:47:00
>>540
w Yes, I know most of the Japanese is not exactly correct. I do not use 2ch as a method for learning Japanese really. The main benefit to me is that it causes me to look up kanji which reinforces it in my memory.
For my Japanese studies I usually stick to books and other resources. Thank you for your concern though!
>>542
It is now much more popular and for this reason the quality of posts has gone down a lot.
Long ago everyone knew what kind of posts were considered quality on 4chan, and every one knew the inside jokes. It allowed for a very witty interchange to go on within threads.
Now 4chan's users are from all over the internet and do not particularly subscribe to the "4chan" sense of humor. Now 4chan is like any other site on the internet and has lost that original charm.
There are hardly any new jokes or interesting comments being made; most of the threads are about posting naked girls.
Also the attitude of the users has become unfitting for an anonymous site. Before people would make cool and funny posts hoping to contribute to the website. Now people try to make memorable posts for fame.
I'm not sure why anyone would try to post for attention on an anonymous board, but it seems to happen a lot now.
( ・ω・) Basically I am just bitter that my secret club website of internet nerds has now become mainstream. wwwww
What do you Japanese users enjoy about 4chan? What makes it interesting
545:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 05:11:45
>>544
To me, old 4chan was moving too slow. And I think I find it interesting because it has lots of posts and I can get a reply in a second.
Increasing popularity may have been lowering its quality, but as an outsider, the more people, the better.
English isn't my native tongue, so I can't be a true member of it in the sense that I never fully understand a post as the same level as you do.
So, as long as it keeps certain quality, it's all right. Inside jokes are all well and good, but they sure repel casual users, and most of Japanese aren't hardcore anons, I think.
The numbers of users are the main reason why I don't frequent other *chans too.
Ah, and 4chan, especially /a/, taught me a lot about otaku/weeaboo culture.
It's definitely interesting to know what foreign weeaboos (I know it's kind of a tautology.) think of our subculture.
That being all said, maybe why I frequent 4chan can be boiled down to the fact that I love an image board. Simply, it's fun!
546:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 05:22:48
こんにちは日本人。僕は外人で、日本語が難しいだ。
平仮名と片仮名は易しいと思いました。
あと、もっと漢字を知っていたいだよ。
助けってください。。。。
547:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 05:32:11
>>546
Um, I'm not sure how I can help you in this Chat in English thread.
Maybe fixing your grammar would help a little?
If you want me to do so, let me know.
If you're a native English speaker, it'd be nice to correct errors and/or refine our wording.
I'm >>545 (right above you) and some other long posts about anime/English/4chan/other nonsense.
548:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 05:41:03
Trying to explain to Japanese posters: 4chan is considered the retards of the western internet. They are mostly 14 - 18 year old boys who think repeating catchphrases makes them a comedy genius.
Please to not consider them representative of Western people.
Do you have idiots in your country?
549:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 05:46:00
>>547
Yes I am a native english speaker from England. I'm not sure where else to post this on the site.
I find Japanese grammar to be very confusing at times, but I've only been learning Japanese for a few months, and I am sitting an exam in it in the Summer so I have plenty of time to improve.
I prefer learning kanji to grammar so I should proably shift my attention.
I don't really need help to be honest, I just wanted to say it :)
also: The only 4chan board I ever read is /jp/.
550:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 05:57:35
>>544 >>548
It's pretty much the same with 2ch. Just so many attention seekers over here, too. I'm sure there's a reason or two
for them but most of them don't even post anything remotely interesting nowadays. They just want to inflate their
egos, which is a quite natural desire, but why on 2ch when there's so many other places that can fulfill their needs?
There used to be a lot of funny assholes even with tripcodes, but those days are gone and the majority of anons are
retarded as well. Though, the native speakers here on this board are exempted from that blame, because your posts serve
a legitimate purpose of helping us with English and I, for one, really appreciate it.
551:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 05:59:40
>>548
Thanks, captain obvious.
I'm fully aware that 4chan is a cesspool filled with retarded on the internet.
I do think anyone who consider those faggots are representing Westerners has a fucked up brain.
Our country does have a plethora of idiots such as myself.
I thought it was a common sense that idiots are everywhere.
>>549
Then you're good at picking a language up. Your Japanese seems good for a learner who only spent a few months, though it might be too short to see if it's true.
I've read a blog claiming Japanese learners should learn all 2000 kanji first.
I don't know if it's more efficient, but he only spent a few years but sounds like a native speaker so you might be interested:
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.alljapaneseallthetime.com)
I wish you the best of luck!
552:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 06:07:06
>>551
Your knowledge of websites has impressed me. Even to the point that it validates you assuming a general comment was aimed at you.
Thank you for explaining also the distribution of idiots via the globe. Unfortunatley it seems though your english is not well developed enough
to trace "sarcasm".
If you wish I would honor to re-educate you. ^_^
553:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 06:16:19
>>552
It's not sarcasm, but trolling.
I always make sure that I look retarded when trolling.
554:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 06:22:24
>553
wwww
You are showing your misunderstanding. I know "Troll" is a mythical creature like unicorn or Jesus.
Though from what I know from this troll they are slow and stupid. Retard maybe.
In this case, you are very excellent at trolling sir!
555:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 06:26:53
>>554
Yes. I'm good at trolling. Actually I just got this guy who's kindly educating me.
Trolling is one of the best ways to learn a second language, don't you think?
556:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 06:37:31
>>555
I fail to see how being retard assist in learning language?
Unless maybe American? From what I know retard is common in their culture. Maybe you will fit in, well?
557:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 07:04:22
>>556
Yes, I'd fit perfectly in if it's idiotic culture.
Joking aside, I think acquiring a language is developing a new linguistic persona in the target language.
And to understand a given persona, you need to know other characters as well to compare with.
It's like if you want to be a "good" boy, you need to know how a spoilt brat would behave.
I guess we've been mimicking adults and peers when we were kids as absorbing our first language(s), and through this mimicking, or acting if you will, we naturally gained deep knowledge of personas, culture and so on.
Alas, we adults don't have leeway to mimic other idiots in real life so it seems very hard to learn "good behavior."
I think trolling on the internet is a good approximation of this learning process.
Also, on anonymous fora, it is fairly easy to sock puppet multiple persons with different personas.
If children are "acting" to develop a persona and it is vital to acquire their first language, then it stands reason that the online mimicry is beneficial to adult language learners.
Well, I got bored. Does this make sense to you? If so, that's why. If not, I don't care.
558:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 07:10:40
>>557
Overlong psudo science to excuse acting as a retard. Try harder next time thank you.
559:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 07:15:15
>>558
See? I'm good at trolling.
560:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 07:29:10
>>559
Why do you keep telling me you are retard? I would attempt to I hide I was a retard.
Maybe that is why you try to learn American?
561:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 07:38:58
What do Japanese people think of Americans who love moe and stuff like Lucky Star?
Other Americans see us as disgusting losers but I'm sure you all understand us.
Maybe I should move to Japan?
562:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 07:40:37
>>560
>learn American
Haha.
Anyway, there's no point trying to figure out what others are really thinking in an online discussion.
There's no way to prove I'm the same guy as the idiot you've been talking to.
You can't tell if I'm really Japanese or not. Can you?
You take everything serious and nothing will be obtained.
You ignore everything in here and nothing will be lost.
Everything is meaningless on anonymous boards.
It's that simple.
563:イギリス人
09/02/23 07:41:12
Spent the weekend in London, for about the first time since I was sixteen.
Stayed at Trafalgar Square, visited the National Gallery and Victoria and
Albert Museum. They had a special exhibition on Imperial Russia, which was
pretty interesting, but also a room on Japanese artwork, mainly 浮世絵 but
other things too. There were a few pieces of artwork in the corner by Utagawa
Sadahide which were quite bizarre... like an octopus with a teapot instead of
a head. That was interesting too. And saw the Russian girl from the train again.
Managed to mutilate my feet by walking around too much in new shoes (after the
old ones split in half on the bottom), and almost thought I'd set the fire alarm
off in the hotel after it started sounding the moment I opened my room door. And
had nothing to eat today except for a blueberry muffin. Memorable times.
564:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 07:43:39
>>561
I don't despise guys who fantasize about lolis. But it might be just me.
I fapped to Konata last night by the way.
565:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 08:08:42
>>563
A trip to London isn't complete without visiting the SOHO district.
566:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 08:10:51
>>562
In this world there cannot be two people as expert at being a retard troll.
Truely astonded am I.
567:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 08:25:26
>>561
Although I'm not completely sure about moe, Lucky Star doesn't seem to be one in that category.
I don't really see how those characters could appeal to the audience in that way, but their conversations
contain some wit, I suppose.
568:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 08:26:24
>>566
Ahaha. You're right on the money.
By the way, I learned a new usage of the verb "trace" from your post.
I kind of knew it could be used in that sense, but I wasn't 100% sure.
Now I learned it from clear context. Thank you!
Well, I should get going now. Catch you later.
569:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 08:32:37
I think we just witnessed something magical.
English-speaking Japanese trolling other English-speaking Japanese.
ಥ_ಥ Beautiful....
570:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 08:59:18
>>563
After meeting with the Japanese girl, this time you showed the Russian girl you met on the
train around London? You, lucky dog. I guess you couldn't sleep tight the day before
with your heart pounding. At least you didn't have to be nervous about
speaking in Japanese before you saw her.
On a different note, in that this is about a girl, it's on the same note,
Hirosue Ryoko made appearance on TV this morning. She's now in America to participate
in Academy Award. She is in a movie nominated to the award as a foreign film.
She and other actors and the director is supposed to walk on the red carpet
to particiapte in the ceremony.
571:イギリス人
09/02/23 09:10:03
>>565
Got as far as Soho Square, but didn't go deep down into it. The Japanese
visitors from last Tuesday were telling me about it, though. About the pub
with a rainbow flag in the window, and with men holding hands with other men
and women groping each other. They seemed totally shocked. But a bit amused too.
That reminds me... as I was about to board my train back home today, these
two guys were totally making out and feeling each other up before one got
on the train. I've got nothing against gay couples, but this was just indecent.
Even heterosexual couples don't do things like that.
572:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 09:22:53
>>569
To me, they were just bullshitting over the trivial nonsense, but surely flattering and buttering each other..
573:イギリス人
09/02/23 09:32:00
>>570
Oh ho, I had no idea Okuribito had a nomination! Now there's even
more reason to watch the Oscars - thank you!
574:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 09:39:11
I may understand what the word ‘troll’exactly means at last today.
Do you think my deduction about its meaning is right?
575:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 09:45:56
>>563
How did you know the girl in the train was Russian ?
576:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 09:48:10
>>574
I don't know what your deduction is, but this might help you get a general idea.
URLﾘﾝｸ(en.wikipedia.org)
577:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 09:49:25
>>573
Yeah, that's it. You are still updated on Japanese movie scene.
I'm impressed!
578:イギリス人
09/02/23 09:54:51
>>577
It's one I've been meaning to watch, but just haven't found the time...
has it been released on DVD yet?
>>575
I met her on a different train, back in November 2007. She was travelling
with a colleague, as they both work at Moscow State University and were on
some kind of seminar, but doing sightseeing on the side.
579:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 10:09:00
>>578
Oh, she's the russian girl you memtioned before? What a accidental event!
Did you carry on a conversation with her?
580:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 10:13:05
>>578
Amazon.co.jp says DVD's available from March 18th.
Probably this is the case of the Japanese version and you have to wait longer to get
subbed or dubbed version... I don't know.
Okuribito's promotion website is really heavy now probably because
many people here want to know more about it now.
581:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 10:16:23
>>579
I think they planed to see in London.
582:イギリス人
09/02/23 10:18:39
>>579
Oh no... there wasn't anything accidental about it. Got a message from
her just over a week ago, saying she was going to be in London last week.
Couldn't go down while I was working, but arranged to meet over this weekend.
Hadn't actually seen her other than on the train, so she seemed shorter than
expected.
583:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 10:24:45
>>561
Unless you perfome stupid things, such as dancing on the street with anime costume,
mamy people accept you with open arms.
Basically, I think people feel somehow happy to hear foreigners like things related to Japan!
But be careful, decent adults tend to hate or be completely ignorant of otaku.
584:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 10:34:03
>>581-582
haha, I got it! Surely such an accidental thing is very unlikely to occur.
Well, I hope your relationship with her continues.
585:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 10:44:15
>>582
>Hadn't actually seen her other than on the train, so she seemed shorter than
expected.
Haha. That's funny. You guys were seated on the train, you didn't recognized
how tall she was the first time you met her. I guess she and you have good
chemistry to think that it just took only a few hours of chatting on the train (and
maybe exchanging email) to have been to the point where you almost
went out.
586:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 11:50:29
>>561
Basically, you would be accepted compared with the same kind of Japanese otaku, but otaku is also avoided here.
Personally, I don't have any negative feeling to them, but I admit that I'm worried about communicating with them because their conversation topics are very narrow and deep.
587:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 11:54:32
I just ate Korean food dinner and read English book.
I have to use dictionary from time to time or more often, but I'm learning,so it's a good thing.
588:アメリカ人 ◆oUpRKPX5A2
09/02/23 12:55:31
>>585
Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades =P
I'm watching the oscars right now and keeping my eye out for the foreign language film category.
589:アメリカ人 ◆oUpRKPX5A2
09/02/23 13:11:03
Okuribito just won!
590:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 13:24:53
>>589
Are Hirosue crying?
591:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 15:16:31
Someone should attach AA to celebrate the prize!
592:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 16:28:51
That'd be too much.
593:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 20:12:21
>>561
Otaku gaijins are cool because when I see them talking about Japanese culture
it makes me feel like I'm cool and awesome even though I'm just a loser who
has done nothing to contribute to the culture. Otakus are welcome here~
However, I watched Lucky Star some time ago and it was boring as shit.
594:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 21:01:24
>>593
So how do you eat a chocolate cornet?
595:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 21:33:05
What about a chocolate?
Do you need a chocolate that is my hand made?
If you want I will give you that.
596:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 21:38:32
When I visited a thread concerned about Syouichi Nakagawa, I found the link to a youtube video, in which
a famous journalist explained that his drunkun interview was a plot caused by a high official.
And he also said that Japan was in fact thanked for its contributuin to IMF at the G7 meeting.
He deplared Japanese media's guilt, saying that they only emphasized how China was important without introducing Japanese donations.
By the way, I found Yoshimi Watanabe, who is a politician, had his own channel on youtube, and I was startled.
597:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 23:02:26
>>596
We should develop media literacy on our part and reveal how untrustworthy they are.
Off the top of my head, at least the current Japanese media have two problems.
One, they don't provide any information necessary to judge what's good and what's not.
They love to accentuate the dark side of one thing. Let's say, the value of yen.
When the value of yen goes up, they say Japan's economy's dead (while they say Japan's economy's dead when
it goes down. - what the fuck?) Always one-sided view of things with dark impression.
And two, like you brought up the subject about ex-financial minister Nakagawa, they don't want to report of any good thing.
They say they have the right not to report : all that is important is whether it's in favor of themselves.
(Personally I think it's awful when they say, "the right to know". )
I'm sick of the Japanese media, especially TV news sucks.
598:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 23:39:28
>>597
What is bizarre about Japanese media is they seem to be quite indifferent to national interest.
I think this attitude is somewhat good in terms of world peace and international cooporation.
But I doubt they are actually care about kind of international cooporation. I'm wondering if they just like picking up someone's failures or just all pessimists.
599:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/23 23:52:53
>>594
I dont know.. I dont remember the last time I ate one.
Choco cornet looks like turd. I would buy something else.
600:real yakibuta ◆rZ/DxCHAR.
09/02/24 01:26:57
It is said in Japan that America brings up Japan and tries to get Japan money.
Such Movie Awards and Novel Prizes of physics may be bait.
601:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/24 04:22:27
A game company has challenged the public to find a mysterious
"Satoshi".
To help, the company has released a picture of this Satoshi.
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.findsatoshi.com)
The background of Satoshi's picture is Kaysersberg, Alsace, France.
However, it's probable that Satoshi isn't there anymore.
Apparently, several Japanese companies used to have local branches
there, but have since moved on.
The owners of the site received a tip that Satoshi was in Los Angeles
for a short amount of time, but it's unknown if this is true.
Also, it's been confirmed that this Satoshi is not Satoshi Hirabayashi
or Dr. Satoshi Habuchi.
602:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/24 05:53:28
>>601
I read through about the project on the website.
Sounds interesting.
The biggest barrier for the project to secceed is a language barrier.
The project was started by a British company and all the info about the
project is written in English.
There has to be conventional influential Japanese media and online media
involved in this project to find him.
Even ABC reported this project.
URLﾘﾝｸ(abcnews.go.com)
And some other online English speaking online media has this project
come to light but not Japanese influential media.
603:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/24 06:54:21
Okuribito, the winner of Academy foreign film award was directed by a
a man who has a history of derecting porn movies.
It's not easy to climb up the ladder to be a decent director who
is entrusted with big money and shooting a decent film.
Maybe I should start from becoming a porn actor in B movies and
decades later, I can imagine myself on Academy award stage, after
walking on the red carpet, introduced by Tom Hanks as a winner of
Leading actor category.
Nice carrer path, eh? I'd make a speech that goes like, "Two decades
ago, I was nothing. Posting in 2ch and wasting time there waking up all night.
Now I'm here on this stage for one of the the most prestageous awards
in the world. I thank all 2channelers I trolled and was trolled by.
I can't beleive I was at the keybpard typing shivering in the dark without
turning on room lights decades ago.... speech continues.
604:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/24 07:43:04
>>596-597
Considering the role of journalism that is expected, they should rather be critical of power than
being a propaganda machine catering to the authorities; I would just turn off the TV set that keeps
telling me how important it is for us to hold onto mythical patriotic pride no matter what and then everything
is going to be alright. However, I agree that today's mass media tend to accomodate the taste of the public
to the extent that they are no different to sleazy tabloid papers that can sell, but don't really get deeper into
an untouchable level where the real interest lies. Probably, they never will confront secretive power whatever it is.
They do shape public opinion but also relfect social and cultural characteristics of a nation, in a way.
605:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/24 09:58:43
>>603
lol
It's a good idea!
606:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/24 10:05:43
Native speakers of English.
Which is considered to be worse in terms of manner, farting in public or burping in public?
Don't answer both are bad. Pick which is worse.
607:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/24 14:02:58
I'm going to play Heroes of might and magic V.
Does anyone have opinions about the game?
608:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/24 14:16:28
Don't ask the same question.
609:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/24 19:02:55
>>607
I played HOMM 3. It was a very repetitive and boring game.
And 3 seems to be the most popular in the series.
610:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/24 19:17:59
How about age of empire series?
I heard they are good games.
611:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/24 19:57:25
Prime minister Aso is going to attend a conference at white house.
It seems that Japan is the first country to be invited there for the Obama cabinet.
This news sounds like really good news for us but we cannot take it at face value.
A journalist said ‘ the president Obama must have intention to demand Japan
for its extra financial contribution as an ally. ’
There is a truth behind the special treatment!
612:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/24 20:22:52
>>611
Gian calls Suneo when the going gets tough. Same old, same old.
613:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/24 20:52:42
>>612
Good example..
Aso can be a competent diplomat, but I think it's tough for him to refuse Obama's demands.
I think Aso must stand oppressive pressure of the U.S. officials during the meeting.
Creepy...
614:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/24 20:53:14
lol what's this?lololololol i suggest you go to USA or UK if you want to talk in english.
LMAO you are all too funny LMFAO lolololololololololololololo
btw do you know aly and aj?i love them n thier songs so much.especially "potential break up song"!
see ya
615:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/24 21:00:11
>>614
Canada, Australia, and other English speaking countries would like a word with you.
616:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/24 21:09:22
>>614
Thank you, I feel relaxed!
617:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/24 22:13:57
>>606
Farting is much worse by far. Isn't that the same everywhere?
>>610
The Age of Empire series are pretty good Real Time Strategy games.
Starcaft and Warcraft (Not World of Warcraft obviously) are other popular games in the same genre.
However Starcraft is mainly popular in Korea.
618:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/24 23:02:19
>>617
Thanks.
I heard burp is considered to be worse in USA so I asked the question.
619:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/24 23:17:15
>>611
America seems to being attempting to suck money from Japan,
that is to say, we might be regarded as their "wallet".
They might have played up to us by having awarded the winner of Academy to Okuribito.
620:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/24 23:17:23
I heard burp is impolite as much as furting in China.
621:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/24 23:26:34
>>620
I wonder how you're pronouncing "fart." It's difficult to misspell it that way.
622:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/24 23:33:20
Now, my mother named the Aso cabinet "the sales tax cabinet".
She said, the rate of this cabinet gets lower as much as sales tax.
623:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/24 23:42:50
>>622
Your mother has excellent foresight,
what's more, she could be a fortuneteller!
624:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 01:00:31
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.youtube.com)
I didn't know he was this fluent in English.
Did he grew up in America?? So he acted he wasn't good at English.
625:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 01:37:55
>>624
I guess he's like my cousin who moved to US when she was 5 and forgot how to speak Japanese.
She still understands what me and her mother are saying in Japanese but always responds in English.
She speaks English like your average American and that's the only language she can hold a meaningful conversation.
I'm sure there is a scientific term for this but can't remember.
Could have googled it, but I'm as lazy as you.
This is particularly interesting to me because my Japanese too is getting rusty, though I don't think I'd completely forget my mother tongue like her.
626:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 01:53:05
I think he still has a very subtle accent, but not a typical thick Japanese one that I know of.
627:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 01:58:50
And he speaks fluent Japanese as well.
628:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 02:06:08
>>627
Link please?
629:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 02:42:54
Dude, it wouldn't take more than two seconds to find a clip on YouTube.
URLﾘﾝｸ(www.youtube.com)
He's said to have an IQ of over 180. So I guess that explains some of it, too.
630:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 03:44:38
>>629
Thanks. As for his fluency, I think IQ has nothing to do with it.
The dumbest kids in your local kindergarten will acquire their first language without any problem.
Sure he must be very smart, but language acquisition doesn't require intelligence unless you're talking about eloquent orators, novelists and whatnot.
One thing I noticed is his voice gets higher when speaking Japanese.
My friends who are fluent in both J and E all have this tendency and my pitch also becomes higher too.
I wonder if there is any linguistic difference in pitch between J and E.
631:電子工学者
09/02/25 06:33:39
>>630
It probably has something to do with the pitch accent in Japanese.
Or it may have something to do with how the particular way someone talks
is perceived across cultures? How is speaking in a very low pitch
perceived in Japan?
632:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 07:11:27
>>631
Don't think, just feel.
633:電子工学者
09/02/25 07:57:36
>>632
Then will I be Tanasinn?
634:アメリカ人 ◆oUpRKPX5A2
09/02/25 11:05:07
On the topic of Japanese film have you guys heard anything about "TOKYO!" or "Tokyo Sonata"?
Both are going to be screening starting in the next couple months and my friends and I were planning
on seeing them.
I guess I have to see "Okuribito" and "Tsumiki no le" now as well lol.
635:アメリカ人 ◆oUpRKPX5A2
09/02/25 11:18:26
>>617
Starcraft is actually pretty ppular here in the US as well, but obviously to not nearly the same degree as
in South Korea.
Masi Oka is really interesting considering his major was in computer science and he his first job was at ILM.
>>630
We had a student here who was majoring in lingustics but she hasn't posted in a long time...
636:アメリカ人 ◆oUpRKPX5A2
09/02/25 11:21:34
Gah I made a ton of errors in my posts, sorry. My iPod is decent for writing but I wish I could use a real keyboard.
637:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 11:30:59
>>621
Stupid me. I am often confused about some pronouciations related to 'a'.
For example: match and much, fun and fan.
Moreover, l and r are also difficult for me to recognize.
638:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 11:59:41
Incidentally, I think Japan has much different chalacter from the other countries.
Although Japan usually accepts all culture as possible, but the basis of Japan's chalacter never changes.
As a result, Japan has something which is different from the other.
Not to say highly, but to say about strangeness, No country can produce the movie Okuribito without Japan.
That's all I thought about Okuribito.
>>636
Cell phone has so much functions that human beings cannot completely handle it.
I don't grasp all functions of my cell phone.
I'm afraid cell phone in the future will fits up a function as telephone newly.
I cannot see cell phone as telephone.
639:English Grammar and Spelling Teacher
09/02/25 12:32:24
>>638
The correct English word is "character."
Your English is good, but the line
>I'm afraid cell phone in the future will fits up a function as telephone newly.
is very confusing. As a native English speaker, I have no idea what you mean.
640:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 15:59:08
Cell phone in the future... function as telephon...?
I think he's saying that normal telephones will be extinct and
cell phones will take over...
It's usually very easy for me to understand broken English written by
Japanese people but this one is hard.
641:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 17:34:36
>>625
If that's the case, he spent most of his childhood(even adulthood) in America, right?
I see. That'd make sense.
>>627
He is. I'm not sure if he has trouble reading written Japanese because of kanji and tricky Japanese expressions, though.
>>631
Hmm, I haven't given any thought to that.
I tend to think people would mumble when they speak in a low pitched voice.
But it'd be ok if their speech was acceptable or they speak clearly.
I remember, when Utada Hikaru speaks English, her voice goes down a octave or two compared to when she speaks Japanese.
>>634
I've never heard of either films.
I thought you meant "Tokyo Tower". It was sort of a hit like 2 years ago?
Anyway, who stars the film(s)?
>>636
No problem. lol
I have no trouble understanding.
642:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 17:44:39
>>640
That'd probably be it.
And I guess he meant mobile phones would make more progress than simply talking, and so we couldn't predict in what direction
they would go now.
We can't be sure until he answers, though.
643:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 17:55:31
>>617
I've just checked on Youtube if Warcraft looks good and interesting. And it did.
I wonder if there's SRPG like fire emblem that you can play on the computer.
644:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 18:02:14
What kinds of topics are going on?
Somebody, give me interesting topics!
645:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 18:10:40
>>644
Video games, languages, films, electric gadgets, and so on.
Any topic will do as long as others find interesting.
So go ahead.
646:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 18:23:46
I always get this error when I try to submit a longer post. How do I fix it?
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Please contact the server administrator, 2ch@2ch.net and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
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647:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 18:29:11
Shit. Tried again and got the same error. I'll post it in two separate comments then.
>>641
>I remember, when Utada Hikaru speaks English, her voice goes down a octave or two compared to when she speaks Japanese.
Ah, yes. she's not an exception either. I too am curious why J-E bilinguals all sound maturer when speaking English.
This also occurs a native English speaker speaks Japanese with an English accent.
In this case, his or her voice sounds deeper than the average Japanese.
648:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 18:29:33
Continuation to >>647:
Apparently there are exceptions because we know some Japanese have deep voices and there should be English speakers with adorable voices.
In fact, actors, especially voice actors often change their pitch and tone so that their voice matches characters in play.
But it's very interesting to me changing language can naturally alter a speaker's tone of voice.
I don't know if this is cultural (e.g., the emphasis on politeness may have something to do with higher pitch) or purely linguistic (e.g., English may be phonetically lower in pitch),
but this is why I don't want Japanese girls to reduce their accent; they always sound cuter with the Japanese accent.
649:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 20:02:19
I took the entrance examination of XX university today.
This is what I wrote at the English test.
A question was like this; Write in 70 words as if you were studying abroad and introducing your country to people there.
Japan is a country influence by Buddhism.
If you come here, you would see temples and shrines are ubiquitous. We visit there to make a New Year's resolution
when New Years come around. We also enjoy summer festivals there during summer.
Though many of us are not into religion so much but
we embrace traditional activities.
These days more and more fornigners are participating in our activities, so let's join us without reserve!
I made the most of my ability..
650:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 20:37:48
>>635
How about Romance of the three kingdoms 11?
I haven't played it myself, but the series has been quite popular in Japan.
I'm thinking of playing it now.
651:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 20:41:01
Oh, by the way, the news says that American president Obama and Japanese priminster Aso met today.
Seemingly, they didn't hold a press conference, though.
652:金玉儿
09/02/25 21:16:55
>>650
Is there Romance in your three kingdoms?
I have only one kingdom, and there is Romance also in my kingdom.
My kingdom is my onanizum kingdom.
In my onanizum kingdom, Sekimori Hinowa is a leading part, and she is nakedly keeping to defeats Kagari every day.
This is my vest romance.
653:金玉儿
09/02/25 21:33:46
>>651
This is notification for you American.
Do you know Yoko Osita Yoko the female announcer in Japan?
If Oshita Yoko and Obama fighted each other, Would you think which person win ?
Do you want Oshita Yoko to become the President U.S.?
654:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 21:46:46
>>643
SRPGs or turn-based strategies as I guess they would be more commonly known, are fairly rare on the PC.
Most tactical RPGs are found on consoles such as the DS or Playstations and are ususally just translated Japanese SRPGs.
This is probably due to the fact that Real Time Strategies are more popular here, although everyone has probably played Final Fantasy.
There used to be a lot more PC SRPGs and you can still find a few classics like Fallout 1 and 2.
Such games do still exist on the PC however, here's a link to wikipedia because I'm lazy:
URLﾘﾝｸ(en.wikipedia.org)
However most of them are crap.
655:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 21:59:54
>>641
>He is. I'm not sure if he has trouble reading written Japanese because of kanji and tricky Japanese expressions, though.
According to the Japanese wiki article about Masi, he can command both Japanese and English at an academic level.
From elementary school through middle school, his mother forced him to attend a Japanese school on weekends
for 9 years where he had to finish a regular weekly curriculum in just one day every week. Also, it is said that he is
fluent in French and Spanish as well. It's not that hard to imagine the man with an IQ of 189 who can handle so much
information could grasp a situation presented in a foreign language (technically his native one, though) and then whip out
his weaponry of vocaburaly to make a witty riposte. Quite simply, he's not just an ordinary man.
656:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/25 23:07:06
The closest thing to Fire Emblem would be Warcraft 3, though it's
a real time strategy and the gameplay is different it's got some
epic fantasy storyline and characters (I think that's what >>643 is looking for).
I got bored after the first several chapters but it's probably just me.
657:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/26 03:00:37
>>655
I know he's no ordinary human.
He can stop time.
658:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/26 13:22:47
I find Romance of the Three Kingdoms very complicated and hard. There are a lot of things for me to get used to, such as
many commands to order leaders to do things and how to fight enemies, etc. Actually, this is the first time I've ever played
this type of video game. I failed to complete a tutorial map where you can learn the basics of how to play the game.
Does anyone have tips?
659:Tennessean ◆3VadybvJ.s
09/02/26 13:47:48
I've been watching Mobile Suit Gundam, the first series of the whole set of series.
The grand story is interesting and Char is fucking fantastic. I can't help but laugh
every time Amuro does something, though. He is such a goofy character.
660:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/26 14:02:33
>>659
I know there are lots and lots of fans of it in Japan, but for some reason
I've never had a chance to watch any except when I happened to see a piece of the story
on TV. You know, Japanese TV stations sometimes broadcast programs like "collections of animes
that would bring back your memory" where TV talents get together to see their fav anime and talk about it,
or something like that. And all I know about Gundam, though very limited, comes from that kind of TV show.
Did you watch subbed version or dubbed? I'm not sure if dubbed Gundam has ever been made to broadcast in America, though.
661:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/26 14:04:55
Yeah, I know! You must've watched it on Youtube or any other websites illegally. lol
Illegal Fan subbed Gundam, isn't it?
662:Tennessean ◆3VadybvJ.s
09/02/26 14:09:59
>>660
with subtitles. i figure i can get the intended experience that way.
by the way, I've noticed there are quite a few shows in Japan where celebrities
just sit around and talk. i remember watching this one show where a few people just
walked around some small town while it was snowing, went into any interesting shops,
and made comical observations about whatever they could find. literally, the entire show
was just that.
a show like that is really bizarre to someone who hasn't watched japanese TV show before.
there aren't any shows like that in America at all. I suppose the closest thing you could find
would be late night talk shows which only have 1 or 2 big name celebrities with each airing.
I suppose the corporate executives don't think a show like that, where celebrities talk and play
games and shit, would be successful in America.
also, on a lot of japanese shows, they show in a little box in the corner the host of the show. i suppose
they do that so that the audience can see his or her reaction. that is another thing which is unique to Japan.
when I first saw that, I thought, "why is there a box with the host? who cares about him?" I suppose it is because
some people must want to see his reaction... perhaps it is like the equivalent of the laugh track.
663:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/26 14:10:35
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664:Tennessean ◆3VadybvJ.s
09/02/26 14:22:56
>>663
Char is just a charming guy. What can I say?
I have no idea how good the voice actor is. I'm not good enough with Japanese to
tell how natural he sounded or what else.
Where did I learn about anime? I used to watch some other shows when I was younger
that played on American television. Mobile Suit Gundam was among those played, but
I didn't watch much of it. I decided to try watching some of it again because it is
such a long running show, there must be something special about it.
665:名無しさん＠英語勉強中
09/02/26 14:31:02
>>662
I had been thought that interview style shows (two or three celebrities carry on their conversation)
are majority in America until I read your post.
Also, I gave it the reason like ‘English is logical, so western tv programs highly value conversation style.’
Except for such kinds of Japanese show you cited, Japanese tv programs are quite boring.
I strongly believe they ruin our sense of morality or intelligence.
One reason why they are shit is they are very noisy;we have to listen to background music all time.
Another is celebrities such as comedians don't think nothing other than making audiences laugh by making fun of others.
The reasons are endless. I'm angry at them.
I advice you not to watch Japanese tv shows for a long time even if you should become fluent in Japanese.